Considering a position with Gjet? Read this first

[B777]

First off, you may not consider Gjet to be a scab airline, or even fit the definition of that. It does not really matter, because the fact is many pilots do, and many will hate you for joining Gjet. I am posting this message because while I was at my AWAC interview, I met a pilot that interviewed for Trans States Airlines before her AWAC interview. She was hired at TSA, and given a class date. TSA called her later on and told her that the class date was canceled and asked her if she would like to join Gjet. She turned them down and went back to flight instructing. My hat is off to her for making such a decision and the right one. At a 1000 hours, I would also love to get a jet job, but I will never apply to Gjet, because I also consider them to be a scab outfit.

Look at it this way. those position at Gjet belong to TSA pilots. Trans States holding did not want to pay a 4 year CA pay to TSA pilots, they want to pay 1 year CA pay to Gjet pilots. So just like Trans States holding took jobs away from TSA pilots, so they can do in the future to Gjet pilots. Not only are you stabing your fellow TSA pilots in the back by accepting a position at Gjet, you are also stabing your own future in the back.

You need a job? So am I, and so was the pilot that turned TSA down, and many others that will not take a position at Gjet.

Oh by the way, that pilot was hired at AWAC. She was only 1 of 6 that interviewed that day that got hired. And you know what, AWAC is a 1000 times better company than Trans States Holding. Her decision paid off!

 

[Sir Humpalot]

nice post.

Good things happen to good people.

--hump

 

[jpeace02]

777,

you're a class act and i'm not even sure if you're in the industry. if you're not please continue to try to break in we need more people like yourself. staying informed before you accept or apply for a flying position will do wonders for your career as well as your mental health. take care and good luck.

 

[Tarzan]

While I don't hate any of these guys that went to GJ, I think about this exact scenario. While there are a few out there having some tough times, GJ is not the only airline company hiring. If GJ stopped getting resumes, we'd have this thing solved in very short order. Unfortunately, they are getting resumes again.

I do feel bad for some of the you nger guys that take jobs here without realizing what it could do to them later on down the road. Theres a guy in my crash pad that had a friend take the job there when this switcheroo happened. He's a college kid that thinks he has it all figured out and later on, he may be interviewed by one of those captains that has a list in his pocket that has his name on it. No job, so sorry, don't reapply.

 

[erj-145mech]

B777, you throw out the scab word, what is the definition of a scab?

GJ is not flying struck work. The pilots are unionized. ALPA doesn't have a monopoly on unions, not all pilots are represented by ALPA. The pilots are not crossing a lawful picket line. Trans States created GJ's to gain flight routes not available to TSA pilots due to scope clauses.

If you don't like GJ crews, so be it, but they are not scabs by definition. You need to learn a new vocabulary to express what you think that they are.

Flame suit on.

 

[Mookie]

So when/if TSA goes on strike about this...will they then be defacto scabs??
as my dad used to say..."if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...then...."

Mookie

 

[Tarzan]

I always thought that another definition of a scab is, "a comtemptable person." Doesn't that fit?

 

[Shrek]

Look the word SCAB up on google and then make your own mind....

 

[BeechCowboy48]

walking like a duck

It was my understanding that TSA was doing informational picketing in reference to unnamed alter ego airline; ergo all employees at unamed alter ego airline are crossing said picket line regardless of expos facto unionization from a seperate union. What does that make you is you cross a picket line again?

 

[$$$4nothin]

They might not be SCABS by definition, but they are peices of SH!T by definition, and I cant wait for one to ask for a ride.

 

[Flechas]

You need a job? So am I, and so was the pilot that turned TSA down, and many others that will not take a position at Gjet.

You mean So do I, and so did the pilot...., right?

 

[Flechas]

B777, you throw out the scab word, what is the definition of a scab?

GJ is not flying struck work. The pilots are unionized. ALPA doesn't have a monopoly on unions, not all pilots are represented by ALPA. The pilots are not crossing a lawful picket line. Trans States created GJ's to gain flight routes not available to TSA pilots due to scope clauses.

If you don't like GJ crews, so be it, but they are not scabs by definition. You need to learn a new vocabulary to express what you think that they are.

Flame suit on.

That's just semantics man, I'm sure your point of view would be different if you were a pilot at TSA.

 

[temcgrew]

B777, you throw out the scab word,

Yes, and hear is what he said

First off, you may not consider Gjet to be a scab airline, or even fit the definition of that.

Next you said this:

The pilots are unionized

Wrong!! 4 Management pilots tried to certify the Teamsters before they were an actual airline. They do not have any representation and are at the whim of the company.

Then there was this statement:

Trans States created GJ's to gain flight routes not available to TSA pilots due to scope clauses.

No it wasn't to gain "flight routes" it was to be able to operate aircraft with more than 50 seats. While G-jet was trying to write manuals and missed there operational date several times, Trans States Airlines flew thier "flight routes" for them for a month or so. They were new pairings that appeared and dissapeared for a month or so (not sure time frame). When they got the certificate, the flying went away from TSA and went to g-jet. "flight routes" can be flown by a 50 seat jet or a 70 seat jet.

You need to learn a new vocabulary to express what you think that they are

Before you start defending "them" you need to educate yourself on why g-jet was started and why TSA management decided to hire from off the street instead of letting the pilots that are already employed by them to fly the airplanes.

As stated before, TSA is getting rid of some J41's and have threatend to furlough. Now do you really want to work for a company that would rather hire off the street and then put thier own pilots on the street?

 

[B777]

You mean So do I, and so did the pilot...., right?

Yeah, I need to go back to English 101 so do i, and so did . . .

 

[blackbox]

Wrong!! 4 Management pilots tried to certify the Teamsters before they were an actual airline. They do not have any representation and are at the whim of the company.

question:

I dont know too much about Labor Unions but I was wondering what is the relationship like between ALPA and the Teamsters? Are they not both a part of AFL-CIO? Why would the Teamsters want to represent a group that ALPA is trying to get rid of?

 

[pdkaviator]

G-jet listed as one of the participants at Air Inc's Job Fair in ATL this weekend. Wonder how long the line will be to meet with them..
(No I am not going)

 

[flyer172r]

question:

I dont know too much about Labor Unions but I was wondering what is the relationship like between ALPA and the Teamsters? Are they not both a part of AFL-CIO? Why would the Teamsters want to represent a group that ALPA is trying to get rid of?

I believe the Teamsters recently left AFL-CIO

 

[B777]

they are still non-unionized. They are seeking representation by the Teamster, but they still have not received it. ALPA is objecting and I was told that ALPA went to the mediation board and won under one company one representation. I am not sure what's going on now and if the Teamsters will prevail. All that still does not matter. The fact still is that they are still considered by the majority of pilots to be SCABS. I've still yet to meet one pilot that does not look at them as SCABS. That includes: COMAIR, Expressjet, TSA, AWAC, Spirit, Jetblue, Eagle pilots I have spoke to about them. Every single one I spoke said the word "oh, aren't they that scab outfit that . . ."

 

[arthompson]

Teamsters are not AFL-CIO. Also the picketing is informal, so there is no picket line since it's not a certfied lawful strike. If TSA strikes over the G-Jet issue it will be an unlawful job action per the Railway Labor Act. TSA will be with in it's rights to terminate those pilots.

This is not a defense of G-Jets, this is simply a statement of facts.

 

[tjsatter]

Teamsters are not AFL-CIO. Also the picketing is informal, so there is no picket line since it's not a certfied lawful strike. If TSA strikes over the G-Jet issue it will be an unlawful job action per the Railway Labor Act. TSA will be with in it's rights to terminate those pilots.

This is not a defense of G-Jets, this is simply a statement of facts.

If TSA strikes over the GayJet issue in the course of it's lawfull negotiation process next year it WILL be a lawfull action. The scum over there are not "scabs" by the strictest definition however they are merely wannbees that don't rise up to the lofty levels of real scabs.

tj

 

[pdkaviator]

TJ
Ich frage mich wieviel leute hier deine Unterschrift lesen koennen!

 

[Shrek]

Ingrish pleeeez.....

 

[Mr Wu]

An exerpt from the following speech - http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/London/Writings/WarOfTheClasses/scab.html


The laborer who gives more time or strength or skill for the same wage than another, or equal time or strength or skill for a less wage, is a scab.

 

[Blue Dude]

An exerpt from the following speech - http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/London/Writings/WarOfTheClasses/scab.html


The laborer who gives more time or strength or skill for the same wage than another, or equal time or strength or skill for a less wage, is a scab.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need, right? By this definition, nobody can put forth any more effort on the job than the lowest common denominator. What the heck, it creates more jobs, right? Neither can anyone take a job from anyone other than the industry leader without being a scab.

It's all just one big happy collective now, isn't it? Gag me.

The G*Jet scenario is shameful, as was the Freedom Air debacle a couple of years ago. The pilots exhibited scab-like behavior, but let's not expand definitions to fit when the term is as ugly as scab. That ought to be reserved for truly reprehensible acts, within the same pilot group that is on strike.

 

[tjsatter]

TJ
Ich frage mich wieviel leute hier deine Unterschrift lesen koennen!

Who fights can lose, who does not fight has already lost.

Old German trade union saying. I saw it as graffiti on a wall in Magdeburg (DDR) shortly after the wall came down.

tj

 

[Loafman]

What goes around comes around

Isn't TSA the same outfit that flies blue chicken RJ's to feed AA out of STL? When AA bought TWA, AMR management told Eagle pilots that they didn't have the resources to feed STL, so the blue chicken carriers would stay. After Eagle started parking SF3's in the desert and furloughing, that argument didn't hold up anymore. TSA still to this day operates 10 EMB 145's OWNED by AMR in DIRECT violation of Eagle scope. Eagles scope states that company owned aircraft shall be flown by pilots on the company seniority list. The TSA pilots are whining about Gjets, but lost no actual flying or aircraft in the transaction. The UAL feed that Gjets operates is old Air Willy flying that was deemed too expensive by the UAL BK cost structure. What TSA holdings did was to make a buck in a free enterprise economy by exploiting a loophole in AA scope by being smarter than CHQ when they attempted the same thing. The 70-110 seat market is the growth segment of the insdustry and people in a position to capitalize on it are being whined about by snot-nosed brats that think they "own" their segment of the market for good. After de-regulation, competition rules, and as long as there are people willing to do our job cheaper, we're all at risk. Someday some fly-by-night operator will lawn-dart a shiny new 70 seater full of Pax with some 1500 hour wonder at the helm. Then the consumer demand will shift the market back to more "experienced" operators.

Just my two cents. Flame away because I really don't give a rat's a$$, the facts are the facts.

 

[tjsatter]

the facts are the facts.

I don't think so. It seems the "facts" are whatever you can twist them around to feed your preconcieved notions. Let's start with the conclusion, work backwards and find some "facts" that support them. the facts don't support your conclusion? Well the facts must be wrong, let's find some others and twist em out of context and keep repeating it.

tj

 

[airchristyle]

Go to the gjetpilots website, check it out

 

[TCBKING]

B777, you throw out the scab word, what is the definition of a scab?

GJ is not flying struck work. The pilots are unionized. ALPA doesn't have a monopoly on unions, not all pilots are represented by ALPA. The pilots are not crossing a lawful picket line. Trans States created GJ's to gain flight routes not available to TSA pilots due to scope clauses.

If you don't like GJ crews, so be it, but they are not scabs by definition. You need to learn a new vocabulary to express what you think that they are.

Flame suit on.

I have read so many posts about the definition of "scab". People get so bent out of shape when it is used when talking about hojets. I think its time to change the definition of "scab" to anyone who will take work from people who have earned it. Its not like a word in the english Language has not taken on new meanings as the years have gone on. Like for instance Fag.
Puff on that one erj-145.

 

[erj-145mech]

Puff on that one erj-145.

I'd just like to know how you get your seat belt fastened with your head up your keester?

Puff on that TC BurgerKing