Considering a position with Gjet? Read this first

[pdkaviator]

TJ
Ich frage mich wieviel leute hier deine Unterschrift lesen koennen!

 

[Shrek]

Ingrish pleeeez.....

 

[Mr Wu]

An exerpt from the following speech - http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/London/Writings/WarOfTheClasses/scab.html


The laborer who gives more time or strength or skill for the same wage than another, or equal time or strength or skill for a less wage, is a scab.

 

[Blue Dude]

An exerpt from the following speech - http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/London/Writings/WarOfTheClasses/scab.html


The laborer who gives more time or strength or skill for the same wage than another, or equal time or strength or skill for a less wage, is a scab.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need, right? By this definition, nobody can put forth any more effort on the job than the lowest common denominator. What the heck, it creates more jobs, right? Neither can anyone take a job from anyone other than the industry leader without being a scab.

It's all just one big happy collective now, isn't it? Gag me.

The G*Jet scenario is shameful, as was the Freedom Air debacle a couple of years ago. The pilots exhibited scab-like behavior, but let's not expand definitions to fit when the term is as ugly as scab. That ought to be reserved for truly reprehensible acts, within the same pilot group that is on strike.

 

[tjsatter]

TJ
Ich frage mich wieviel leute hier deine Unterschrift lesen koennen!

Who fights can lose, who does not fight has already lost.

Old German trade union saying. I saw it as graffiti on a wall in Magdeburg (DDR) shortly after the wall came down.

tj

 

[Loafman]

What goes around comes around

Isn't TSA the same outfit that flies blue chicken RJ's to feed AA out of STL? When AA bought TWA, AMR management told Eagle pilots that they didn't have the resources to feed STL, so the blue chicken carriers would stay. After Eagle started parking SF3's in the desert and furloughing, that argument didn't hold up anymore. TSA still to this day operates 10 EMB 145's OWNED by AMR in DIRECT violation of Eagle scope. Eagles scope states that company owned aircraft shall be flown by pilots on the company seniority list. The TSA pilots are whining about Gjets, but lost no actual flying or aircraft in the transaction. The UAL feed that Gjets operates is old Air Willy flying that was deemed too expensive by the UAL BK cost structure. What TSA holdings did was to make a buck in a free enterprise economy by exploiting a loophole in AA scope by being smarter than CHQ when they attempted the same thing. The 70-110 seat market is the growth segment of the insdustry and people in a position to capitalize on it are being whined about by snot-nosed brats that think they "own" their segment of the market for good. After de-regulation, competition rules, and as long as there are people willing to do our job cheaper, we're all at risk. Someday some fly-by-night operator will lawn-dart a shiny new 70 seater full of Pax with some 1500 hour wonder at the helm. Then the consumer demand will shift the market back to more "experienced" operators.

Just my two cents. Flame away because I really don't give a rat's a$$, the facts are the facts.

 

[tjsatter]

the facts are the facts.

I don't think so. It seems the "facts" are whatever you can twist them around to feed your preconcieved notions. Let's start with the conclusion, work backwards and find some "facts" that support them. the facts don't support your conclusion? Well the facts must be wrong, let's find some others and twist em out of context and keep repeating it.

tj

 

[airchristyle]

Go to the gjetpilots website, check it out

 

[TCBKING]

B777, you throw out the scab word, what is the definition of a scab?

GJ is not flying struck work. The pilots are unionized. ALPA doesn't have a monopoly on unions, not all pilots are represented by ALPA. The pilots are not crossing a lawful picket line. Trans States created GJ's to gain flight routes not available to TSA pilots due to scope clauses.

If you don't like GJ crews, so be it, but they are not scabs by definition. You need to learn a new vocabulary to express what you think that they are.

Flame suit on.

I have read so many posts about the definition of "scab". People get so bent out of shape when it is used when talking about hojets. I think its time to change the definition of "scab" to anyone who will take work from people who have earned it. Its not like a word in the english Language has not taken on new meanings as the years have gone on. Like for instance Fag.
Puff on that one erj-145.

 

[erj-145mech]

Puff on that one erj-145.

I'd just like to know how you get your seat belt fastened with your head up your keester?

Puff on that TC BurgerKing

 

[TCBKING]

I'd just like to know how you get your seat belt fastened with your head up your keester?

Puff on that TC BurgerKing

A. Name has nothing to do with BK
B. I am Extremely pysically fit (not that I care wtf you think, just throwin it out there)
c. Great word. Keester. .... Keester.
d. I see a great future for you a Hojets.

 

[arthompson]

You people honestly think that TSA pilots "earned" the flying that GJ is handling? Lets talk about the GJ routes, and the TSA routes. Many of those routes belonged to Air Wisconsin prior to being bought by United in 1988, they were returned to the ZW pilots but the slots were not returned to ZW. So we can argue that ZW pilots earned that flying. Now lets look at the routes that were not previously operated by ZW...who had those? Mainline United. So if anyone who has earned work is having it taken away from them, it is *NOT* the pilots of TSA, but the men and women of United Airlines.

 

[Loafman]

I don't think so. It seems the "facts" are whatever you can twist them around to feed your preconcieved notions. Let's start with the conclusion, work backwards and find some "facts" that support them. the facts don't support your conclusion? Well the facts must be wrong, let's find some others and twist em out of context and keep repeating it.

tj

So what exactly in my post was untrue? That TSA pilots really aren't flying AMR owned 145's? That TSA was flying Air Willies routes? That TSA is'nt violating Eagle scope? Tell me again where I've "twisted" anything?

 

[RP170]

they are still non-unionized. They are seeking representation by the Teamster, but they still have not received it. ALPA is objecting and I was told that ALPA went to the mediation board and won under one company one representation. I am not sure what's going on now and if the Teamsters will prevail. All that still does not matter. The fact still is that they are still considered by the majority of pilots to be SCABS. I've still yet to meet one pilot that does not look at them as SCABS. That includes: COMAIR, Expressjet, TSA, AWAC, Spirit, Jetblue, Eagle pilots I have spoke to about them. Every single one I spoke said the word "oh, aren't they that scab outfit that . . ."

All of the guys I know here at CHQ consider them SCABS also. We are Teamsters and pray to god that the Teamsters will NOT represent them.

 

[jaxpilot]

For enough money, I'll make fun of some GJ pilots while they do their walk around and I'm servicing their plane...any takers? You pick the insults, BTW.

lol

 

[talespin]

777 I don't even know you but I would write a guy like you a L.O.R. in a second, that was a great post! If we all used our heads a little better we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Good job to the misses as well, she will fit in well at AWAC. There is alot of good folks over there who use thier brains (Strong Pilot Group). Why is it that police men and fire fighters across the board have such a strong brotherhood, but pilot as a whole will screw one another at the drop of a dime?

ERJ-145MECH, they may not be scabs as defined by the indusrty, but they are at the same level.

Have a back bone!

 

[210FR8DOG]

For enough money, I'll make fun of some GJ pilots while they do their walk around and I'm servicing their plane...any takers? You pick the insults, BTW.

lol

I'd probably take you up on that!! TSA and Gayjet are always landing at the same time down there in JAX. We tipped the van driver extra to leave the GJs crew behind even though they were right behind us in the airport. Hotel called the van driver on the radio 2 minutes after we left and said the other crew was outside waiting. Van driver said he'll get them when he comes back again and we laughed our arses off. Very high school, I know, but funny and $10 well spent(between the 3 of us)

 

[WSurf]

Thats awesome!!! Do the G O Jets have there own ID's, or do they look like CHQ ID's!

 

[WSurf]

And how Big is there Pilot group now

 

[fuelflow]

I'd probably take you up on that!! TSA and Gayjet are always landing at the same time down there in JAX. We tipped the van driver extra to leave the GJs crew behind even though they were right behind us in the airport. Hotel called the van driver on the radio 2 minutes after we left and said the other crew was outside waiting. Van driver said he'll get them when he comes back again and we laughed our arses off. Very high school, I know, but funny and $10 well spent(between the 3 of us)

You probably cost that crew 15 minutes on a 17 hour layover. With winning strategies like that, you should consider a position with your MEC.