NJW:
This thread began to take on a life of it's own when you posted a reply to Rusty's initial bullet statements castigating
That's undeservedly harsh. I was debating the issues. I'm not the one on this board that makes ugly personal remarks. him for each of his assertions. You took a 'holier than thou' sort of an attitude in your response,
From your perspective, perhaps. I will say that I was strong in my defense of 1108 and their leaders. and suggested that he was not only incorrect, but foolish for attempting to somehow smear the efforts of your husband's local.
Foolish? I shall clarify that. I was trying to say that his attitude was wrong and unfair. He was incorrectly applying the behavior of other groups to pilots he does not, to my knowledge, personally know.
With you kind indulgence, I'd like to point out several things here:
I have no problems with civil discourse. It's bigotry that I dislike.
Four out of five of RustyFan's comments are 100% correct and true at my workplace. The one that isn't most certainly is at other operators.
Be that as it may, that does not mean that it applies to the pilots of Local 1108.
Rusty's responses were perhaps a bit rude, but you flung the poo first. Go back and read page 1 of this thread again. I certainly will.
Your request is reasonable, and I appreciate the polite tone, even if we don't arrive at the same conclusion. You get what you give.
I beg to differ-- strongly! I never make disparaging remarks about the diet, lifestyle, character etc of others. I stick to the issues and respond only to the posts. In all honesty, you cannot say the same about several others here.
You talk about unbiased people in your post. No such thing.
Who is looking for perfection? There are many people who believe in judging others on their own merits. That is all I'm asking for 1108. You cannot afford to take a wait and see attitude with your union.
I can see that you were confused by my sentence structure using the implied you. That was a plea for others to give 1108 a chance before they wrote them off as being just like the others they hold in such low esteem. Read my posts and you will see that I advocate vigilance and hard work; I have used those exact words. If you do, you will have reformed coke-heads flying your jets, union crashpads full of booze, populated with grounded and/or fired female pilots walking around buck naked as sex toys for union leadership. If NJ pilots take a wait and see attitude with their union, and fail to learn the difficult lessons of labor/management relations and the malfeasance that often accompanies them, your husband's peers will be condemned to much poorer quality representation that they deserve, weakened leverage during negotiations and side letters and LOA's that you won't believe, many of them without any membership vote.
Agreed, and if you will notice that I have posted much the same idea already. I just left out the unclothed women. 
I seem to have more optimism than others posting here. I think that comes from knowing the leadership of 1108 personally.
You seem like an intelligent, nice person.
Thanks, I make it a point only to post on subjects that I know something about. Take some free advice: You can't even begin to imagine what Rusty is talking about.
If you limit that to my own personal experience, you'd be correct. However, I can have discussions with other pilots who do know what he is talking about and don't mind taking the time to explain it, politely. Yourself, for example. There's nothing wrong with that, but before you dismiss him out of hand as some sexist old coot, ask yourself: "What does he know that I don't? Why is he so bitter about unions? What can I do to better educate myself about the dangers he was attempting to warn me about before this thread got sidetracked into a personality contest?"
I have no problem with what you are suggesting. I have already said that I think the 1108 pilots have enough history and experiences like Rusty's, between the 3,000 plus members, that given due vigilance they will be able to avoid mistakes and/or misdeeds made by others before them. What I take exception to, and any person can apply it to any situation, is pre-judging a particular group based on past practice of others that happen to share the same occupation or affiliation. The pilots of 1108 are fully aware that being the first fractional local gives them the opportunity and duty to set a high standard for their industry. I firmly believe that they deserve to be allowed to make the most of that opportunity unencumbered by the prejudices of others who base their opinions on the conduct of other groups who have little, or nothing, to do with 1108. To put it simply, I am asking for the members of this board to give 1108 a fair shake because that is the right thing to do.
NJW; I'm an airline pilot, but I'm also a student of aviation history. Rusty could tell you stories that would stand your hair on end.
As can my husband and other NJ pilots that I know. Human nature hasn't changed since 1989,
Given the biased, sexist attitudes expressed in some of the posts, I would push that date back much further. 
please take some time to find out what he's talking about Instead of rejecting him out of hand.
Unfortunately, it also seems to be human nature for bad news to spread faster than good news. Union corruption is not an obscure topic. What I am rejecting out of hand, is the suggestion that 1108 has the aforementioned problems simply because they are affiliated with the Teamsters. I reject all forms of bigotry as being inherently unfair to the individual(s) being stereotyped. (Drop me a PM, I'd be happy to send you my copy of
Grounded by Aaron Bernstein.
A Splash of Colors by John Nance is a good one also)
Although I appreciate the offer, I must pass at this time. I'm already behind in my family's private fight for justice. I have been splitting my time between the two causes that I feel so strongly about, but I see this time as a critical one for frac families and I wanted to voice my support for their efforts.
Hey! we each have 727 posts.
