Compass?

[ACL65PILOT]

I personally think that Compass due to its flow through agreement, corporate ownership and MEC should be part of the list. All of the other feeders are wholly owned, do not have the same MEC and have no flow through. It is only because of these reasons that they should be on the bottom of the list.
On top of that, it is where a bunch of us will be in a few years.

 

[Lear70]

A combined DAL/NWA does NOT need 6+ regional feeders. One of them is going to get dumped by the wayside.

I fear it might be PCL, simply because of their performance as of late, word through the grapevine is that their ASA is in jeopardy because of multiple months of below-acceptable completion factors and on-time being so completely sub-par. All of that and Uncle Phil still won't come off some of that cash they've been hoarding.

I see Compass, Mesaba, Comair, and ASA as the surviving carriers, being left as whipsaw fodder (not combined into the mainline lists), and everyone else getting dumped.

 

[Raskal]

I personally think that Compass due to its flow through agreement, corporate ownership and MEC should be part of the list. All of the other feeders are wholly owned, do not have the same MEC and have no flow through. It is only because of these reasons that they should be on the bottom of the list.
On top of that, it is where a bunch of us will be in a few years.

Actually, mesaba is wholly-owned and also has a flow-through. Different MEC, but under the same holding company as compass.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

That lone fact my be a sticking point. Either way I am more than happy to have you put on the bottom of the list. I would have been happy with a staple when I was at ASA. It is a great way to protect all of the flying and in turn protect the careers that we have chosen.

 

[flyn96]

Compass was set up as a safety net for any potential NWA mainline furloughees and has a flow thru agreement w/NWA already in effect.

Mesaba has a flow too, but people have actually gone to NWAfrom Mesaba, Compass has not had anyone go, and they won't for many moons.

 

[Raskal]

That lone fact my be a sticking point. Either way I am more than happy to have you put on the bottom of the list. I would have been happy with a staple when I was at ASA. It is a great way to protect all of the flying and in turn protect the careers that we have chosen.

Wow, just the thought of the sheer size of that seniority list if all were combined...daunting.

 

[FL510in10min]

I think what the Compass guys have is they were hired expecting to flow

 

[Truckdriver]

I lived through the XJT/CAL wholly owned same MEC mess. It didn't work too great over there, and I don't think the Compass deal will work any better. If it is wholly owned and repersented by the same MEC it makes absolutely no sense to have seperate seniority lists and contracts. All wholly owned regionals should be on the DAL/NWA list period. However, I doubt this is even on the list of talking points with ALPA at this point.

 

[Superpilot92]

I lived through the XJT/CAL wholly owned same MEC mess. It didn't work too great over there, and I don't think the Compass deal will work any better. If it is wholly owned and represented by the same MEC it makes absolutely no sense to have separate seniority lists and contracts. All wholly owned regionals should be on the DAL/NWA list period. However, I doubt this is even on the list of talking points with ALPA at this point.

Just to clarify it didnt work out very good for the XJT pilots but worked great for the CAL flowbacks. The Compass deal is a different animal than the coex one in many different ways.

 

[~~~^~~~]

That lone fact my be a sticking point. Either way I am more than happy to have you put on the bottom of the list. I would have been happy with a staple when I was at ASA. It is a great way to protect all of the flying and in turn protect the careers that we have chosen.

Agreed.

Someone brave enough to try to get this passed as a resolution at an LEC meeting?

 

[Monster Buck]

Mesaba has a flow too, but people have actually gone to NWAfrom Mesaba, Compass has not had anyone go, and they won't for many moons.

Nothing against compass but..........the vast majority are new pilots with very little experience. Again it is nothing more than a regional like any other. They should not have any more leg up in a merger than any other regional. There pilots are no more NWA pilots than any other red tail commuter.

 

[Monster Buck]

Yeah, like Comair pilots...they love us and can not hire enough of us.

Sorry, you are right, I should have said SkyWest and ASA.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Buck,

• You got to start somewhere to get ALPA looking at unity and ending alter ego.
• Getting them below you - protects you when the DC9/88's are parked due to fuel
• Compass operates the DC9 replacements
• If Compass pilots recieved a real seniority number the quality (attitude, professionalism, product) would be better than at some airlines where folks just don't care
• It will be some time for Compass First Officers to make Captain and flow up. They will have time and experience commensurate with NWA's current new hires by the time they get to "mainline"
• One list means one MEC, no representational squabbles that aren't fixed "in house"
• And did I mention that they are flying NWA's DC9 flying?
• Wouldn't you like NWA's DC9 pilots to have something to bid on other than your seat?
• Since Compass has the allowance for the big and heavy RJ's, this would move the line in the sand back in mainline's favor. It would make the 100 seater a clearly mainline product.

 

[Monster Buck]

Are Mesaba, Pinnacle, Comair, Skywest, ASA, XJet, Mesa, Republic, etc, etc represented by NWA or DAL MEC? Compass is, not that it entitles us to anything other than fair representation. I'll be happy if we don't end up under the proverbial "bus".

I couln't agree more. Except what representation do you need? You are not NWA. You should be treated exactly like all the other commuters. I get the feeling that some at Compass think they should get some special treatment. I disagree. If any red tail commuters should be up to bat first, it should be the thousands of pilots at Mesaba and Pinnacle, that have been around way before most of the Compass pilots had tickets. Again this is just my opinion, but what puts Compass in this line, the minor differences in the flow, the parent company(or wait thats the same), the uniforms, non rev. codes, the color of the aircraft....its all the same as Mesaba and Pinn.,except that Pinn. doesn't have a flow, but so what!

Not trying to start anything and I know its sucks, but your not in the game. Compass will survive, fly emb 175's, which are sweet, the flow will stop, the non-rev will change to N5W or its eq., and that is it. You won't loose anything more than you have now, other than that. Which can suck but at least I believe you will have your job. Mine may be gone along with many others, we all could loose alot, but I hope not.

 

[Klamath]

Would NWA having their own version of LOA 19 that adds Compass to the list help or hurt NWA's "Relative Seniority"? If NWA brought Compass onboard now, pre-merger would it be viewed favorably or not in front of the arbitrators?

Just food for thought.