Compass?

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Smartie:

The idea to start one list with Compass is an issue that only resonates with the junior pilots who's MD88 and DC9 flying is going to be replaced. As such, there is little chance that real unity will find any traction with those in charge of union bargaining.

Objectively, mainline pilots would fight for all branded flying on one list, but this is very political. The joint MEC and fact that Compass has the largest aircraft permitted under the scope provides an open door.

 

[Smarta$$]

An open door that would end with compass being the only one that actually gets this windfall. Not the begining of anything.

They already have flow down job protections for the mainline pilots. They don't need an integration to reap this benefit.

 

[DrewBlows]

An open door that would end with compass being the only one that actually gets this windfall. Not the begining of anything.

They already have flow down job protections for the mainline pilots. They don't need an integration to reap this benefit.

What is your problem with Compass pilots? You keep saying everyone should be brought onto the Delta list, but you don't make an argument for that, instead you bash Compass pilots as undeserving and unworthy.

 

[DrewBlows]

Plus, what do you care if Compass pilots are stapled to the bottom of the list, we're all going to be furloughed anyway. Some windfall...

 

[metrodriver808]

I've tried to search for the info but haven't had any luck. How long is it to hold a line (short I imagine) and how are the schedules (#days on, length trips, how commutable)? All I hear about compass is people arguing about stapling and FAs starting fires. Thanks!

 

[FBN0223]

There is no reason that compass pilots should get any favoratism over any other NW/DL alpa regional pilot. They have not done anything to earn that special privledge.
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Wrong!!! Compass is wholly owned by NWA and represented by the NWA MEC. A flow-up was part of the agreement when they signed on at Compass (NWA) which now will be Delta. Compass flies only NWA routes as they essentially are NWA. Many of the other airlink operators in which you are referring, Skywest for example flies routes for several different carriers like United and Delta and a flow-up was never part of any agreement when they were hired.

 

[Monster Buck]

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The idea to start one list with Compass is an issue that only resonates with the junior pilots who's MD88 and DC9 flying is going to be replaced.

Go tell that to all the pilots at Mesaba!

Also, if a rj is going to replace a 140-150 seat MD88/90 than the MD shouldn't have been on the route anyway. A 76 seat jet doesn't replace this size ac on even a break even route. Especially on the new issues coming out from the government, concerning delays on flights because of an overstuffed bank of flights. Look for an increase in seats per landing at many high volume airports with too many rj. With that, you are not going to see airlines taking in two ac to replace one. Also, if that is not the case......then the only way the MD88/90 gets replaced on a route is that the route was over serviced on seats in the first place.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Compass flies only NWA routes as they essentially are NWA.

Ask the next NWA -9 driver you see about what he or she thinks of you being "essentially NWA".....

Mesaba flies only NWA routes as well, and I would happily see them stapled to the NWA list before Compass, mainly because they've been around longer. Unfortunately, there's a lot of 15 year plus guys at Mesaba who would get excessively screwed by a staple job, so it'll never happen.

Lots of guys out there got hired at Mesaba with the intention of working at Mesaba. In my opinion, every Compass guy out there got hired at Compass with the intention of sliding in the back door at NWA. I just have a problem respecting that.

I only want Compass on the NWA list if it benefits NWA pilots. My two cents, sorry.

 

[Superpilot92]

Ask the next NWA -9 driver you see about what he or she thinks of you being "essentially NWA"......

FBN0223 is a NWA guy

 

[Monster Buck]

Compass's treatment. As a former Mesaba pilot, here is why I think there is a problem with thinking that Compass Pilots are essentially NWA pilots.

Before the influx of pilots coming from bankrupt airlines of late, Compass was MAINLY taking in new hires for a regional airline. These pilots came in with regional pilot type qualifications. The hiring requirements are and were no where near what NWA brings in for interviews. The age and experience levels seen in the NWA new hire classes resemble that of most majors, not seen as the norm at Compass. Nor was it ever expected to.
There is the problem. You can see this thoughout our industry now days in the new batches of pilots. A sense of entitlement. Both airlines have flows. You could argrue till the cows come home their intents, quality and differences. I don't want to see anyone get mistreated but not being stapled on is no where near mistreatment. The bottom line is, that it is a FLOW to NWA. Once you flow, then you are a NWA pilot, not prior. Hence until then, get in line with the rest.

 

[FlyWolf]

Not to high jack this thread, but we just read a Delta ALPA LOA regarding the owning and operating of Midwest after the NW/Delta merger, let me put it this way, I think a lot of people will be surprised.

The good news that there is one relief in the LOA, and its that there will be no restriction on the number a Midwest pilot can visit the aircraft lav. <--- which is not bad for the above 60 crowd.

 

[Monster Buck]

I am a little slow, I don't get it. What do you mean exactly?

 

[Fly4hire]

Compass's treatment. As a former Mesaba pilot, here is why I think there is a problem with thinking that Compass Pilots are essentially NWA pilots.

Before the influx of pilots coming from bankrupt airlines of late, Compass was MAINLY taking in new hires for a regional airline. These pilots came in with regional pilot type qualifications. The hiring requirements are and were no where near what NWA brings in for interviews. The age and experience levels seen in the NWA new hire classes resemble that of most majors, not seen as the norm at Compass. .

The initial classes at CPZ were highly qualified - they could have been hired at any major - but were lied to by CPZ (Neil "Darth Vader" Cohen), aka NWA management that they would be at NWA shortly, and were told by the same they are eassentialy NWA pilots and would be the first in the door since NWA was not hiring at the time. Then we started hiring off the street and these pilots had a 1yr+ seat lock before they could flow, and now hiring has stopped and they are locked out, with a very real possibility of being bumped into the right seat or out the door if NWA furlough's.

Of course they want a stapled NWA number now - that way they could be the first to flow back into their old job as opposed to being bounced out of their current one while an off the street NWA new hire would come later.

Regarding "essentially NWA pilots" - that is about the same as CMR being DAL pilots - every time there is a CPZ plane at a mainline terminal gate it represents the loss of a DC9 $132/hr (formerly $189/hr) Captain replaced with a $65/hr one. If they were NWA pilots they'd be new hires on the DC9 and we'd all be moving up instead of sliding backward.

As far as flowing to up in New Delta I'm not sure, but understand flow back will be from NWA only until after operational integration, when it will include DAL as well?

 

[andyd]

What is your problem with Compass pilots? You keep saying everyone should be brought onto the Delta list, but you don't make an argument for that, instead you bash Compass pilots as undeserving and unworthy.

Look at his avatar......he's pissed that he's stuck at Pinchnickle and anyone who rolled the dice and went to Compass might make out better than him......it's all about ME!

 

[Long Time Gone]

Yeah, like Comair pilots...they love us and can not hire enough of us.

Don't you mean "will not hire enough of us"???? Comair hasn't exactly had a huge amount of attrition due to Delta, that's for sure. You'd think being a WO would give you a larger foot in the door, but then there's that strike thing, that law suit thing, that arrogance thing, that "owed me" thing, etc. H*!!, the "Regional Formerly Known As A Wholly Owned" has had a much larger percentage get hired than Comair.

 

[Quack]

Buck,

I realize that you don't want compass guys on "your" property, but why not staple? seriously, it doesn't cost you a thing, bring the airplanes over, open them up for anyone that wishes to bid them. you won't be able to do that with mesaba or pinnacle. plus get off the notion that compass guys are less experienced than the rest of the industry, it simply has no merit.

 

[FBN0223]

duplicate post

 

[FBN0223]

Compass pilots should be placed on the NWA list now as they are represented by our MEC. With this EMB175s could be flown by NWA pilots and paid accordingly.

 

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I only want Compass on the NWA list if it benefits NWA pilots. My two cents, sorry.

Exactly! And you and Monster Buck are correct that Mesaba should be on board for the same reason.

It will still be years before they have the seniority to hold "mainline" equipment. But, at least you do not have to worry about furlough while they hire off the street to replace you and the airline does not have to worry about two year upgrades with barely ATP mins.

In exchange for being the accumulator in the NWA seniority system, they get a career with the World's Premier Global Airline.

 

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If they were NWA pilots they'd be new hires on the DC9 and we'd all be moving up instead of sliding backward.

What do you think of:

If they were NWA pilots they'd be new hires on the E190 and we'd all be moving up instead of sliding backward.

Hmmm? Delta's E Jet rates are very close to current NWA DC9 book. I don't have the LOA 19 numbers in front of me, but the old numbers were: $117.64 & $80.85. The new numbers should be that plus 5%, 4%, etc...

Current DC9 is $126 & $85 for comparison.