Compass?

[Quack]

Buck,

I realize that you don't want compass guys on "your" property, but why not staple? seriously, it doesn't cost you a thing, bring the airplanes over, open them up for anyone that wishes to bid them. you won't be able to do that with mesaba or pinnacle. plus get off the notion that compass guys are less experienced than the rest of the industry, it simply has no merit.

 

[FBN0223]

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[FBN0223]

Compass pilots should be placed on the NWA list now as they are represented by our MEC. With this EMB175s could be flown by NWA pilots and paid accordingly.

 

[~~~^~~~]

I only want Compass on the NWA list if it benefits NWA pilots. My two cents, sorry.

Exactly! And you and Monster Buck are correct that Mesaba should be on board for the same reason.

It will still be years before they have the seniority to hold "mainline" equipment. But, at least you do not have to worry about furlough while they hire off the street to replace you and the airline does not have to worry about two year upgrades with barely ATP mins.

In exchange for being the accumulator in the NWA seniority system, they get a career with the World's Premier Global Airline.

 

[~~~^~~~]

If they were NWA pilots they'd be new hires on the DC9 and we'd all be moving up instead of sliding backward.

What do you think of:

If they were NWA pilots they'd be new hires on the E190 and we'd all be moving up instead of sliding backward.

Hmmm? Delta's E Jet rates are very close to current NWA DC9 book. I don't have the LOA 19 numbers in front of me, but the old numbers were: $117.64 & $80.85. The new numbers should be that plus 5%, 4%, etc...

Current DC9 is $126 & $85 for comparison.

 

[Terry Hunter]

Compass pilots should be placed on the NWA list now as they are represented by our MEC. With this EMB175s could be flown by NWA pilots and paid accordingly.

Whoa, am I gathering from your post that you want Compass stapled so that NWA pilots can fly the EMB's, rather than trying to benefit the pilot group? That would imply that all CPZ Captains would be relegrated to FO's on mainline A/C....

 

[Superpilot92]

Compass pilots should be placed on the NWA list now as they are represented by our MEC. With this EMB175s could be flown by NWA pilots and paid accordingly.

ABSOLUTELY!!! :beer:

 

[DrewBlows]

Whoa, am I gathering from your post that you want Compass stapled so that NWA pilots can fly the EMB's, rather than trying to benefit the pilot group? That would imply that all CPZ Captains would be relegrated to FO's on mainline A/C....

Uh, I think he was saying Compass pilots would be NWA (Delta) pilots if they were on the same list. A staple would put Compass pilots on the list but they would be the first ones furloughed. It's not a whole lot different than we have now, but we could accrue seniority.

 

[DrewBlows]

Compass's treatment. As a former Mesaba pilot, here is why I think there is a problem with thinking that Compass Pilots are essentially NWA pilots.

Before the influx of pilots coming from bankrupt airlines of late, Compass was MAINLY taking in new hires for a regional airline. These pilots came in with regional pilot type qualifications. The hiring requirements are and were no where near what NWA brings in for interviews. The age and experience levels seen in the NWA new hire classes resemble that of most majors, not seen as the norm at Compass. Nor was it ever expected to.
There is the problem. You can see this thoughout our industry now days in the new batches of pilots. A sense of entitlement. Both airlines have flows. You could argrue till the cows come home their intents, quality and differences. I don't want to see anyone get mistreated but not being stapled on is no where near mistreatment. The bottom line is, that it is a FLOW to NWA. Once you flow, then you are a NWA pilot, not prior. Hence until then, get in line with the rest.

The hiring qualifications at NWA and Compass are exactly the same. Of course, NWA gets more experienced people, but I guarantee that since Compass hired it's first pilot they have the most experienced new hires of any regional airline.

 

[Superpilot92]

Uh, I think he was saying Compass pilots would be NWA (Delta) pilots if they were on the same list. A staple would put Compass pilots on the list but they would be the first ones furloughed. It's not a whole lot different than we have now, but we could accrue seniority.

Exactly, under a "staple" the benefits are way better than keeping it as is for the Compass guys. Under the current deal you can wait 30 months and then maybe flow or if NWA furloughs you get furloughed from Compass or displaced to the right seat at compass rates. At least under the "staple" idea you would have recall rights to NWA/DAL if a furlough was to happen. Otherwise you would only have recall right to Compass. With or without a "staple" compass guys have the same risks but the rewards of getting onto the mainline list now should far outweigh the risks. Not to mention the fact that Scope is going to get further limited under the joint contract. So the current compass will probably be restricted further on growth anyway. Everyone should be emailing their reps in regards to this, I have.

 

[FBN0223]

Whoa, am I gathering from your post that you want Compass stapled so that NWA pilots can fly the EMB's, rather than trying to benefit the pilot group? That would imply that all CPZ Captains would be relegrated to FO's on mainline A/C....

Completely clueless!! Now, run along.

 

[Monster Buck]

Quack.

Don't respond to me and twist my words. "not as experienced as the rest of the industry" You play on vagueness. I said Compass pilots are not as experienced as MAINLINE pilots as a whole. There are always some exceptions but I never said they are not as experieced as other regionals. There are some pilots here on this board trying to play the notion that Compass is the same in almost all respects including hiring stats to NWA....simply not true and a pipe dream. Any notion to the contrary is wrong.

Read all my post in this title. I have NEVER had a higher than thou attitude. I don't come from an upbringing of "MY" property. I have never had anything against any compass pilot. I have something against people who think that if they get hired at one place or another that somehow makes them more qualified than the day before they got hired. IE Entiltlement. I want years of service, hard work, keeping your nose clean...to prevail. If thats you than Giddie Up! Get the job on Merit. NOT....well I got hired at xyz regional airline, so I deserve.... The good thing for you is this is just my opinion and I am hoping for principles to prevail. Which I know happens in this industry as much as huge pay raises. Few and far between.

What does the staple hurt. Everything. It will have no effect on scope. You will never distinguish one 76 from another. Its by seats, so its a dream to think otherwise. If Compass should be stapled than all the regionals should.

Also to MR. BlOWS

If I have to explain the difference between HIRING QAULS and APPLICATION QUALS let me know. If you think for one second that the avg. of the qauls in the new hire classes at NWA over the years and Compass are the same you on another planet. COMPASS is a REGIONAL no different from any other REGIONAL. IT is not the same. Geesh!

 

[Smarta$$]

This would be an excellent time to clean up the RJ mess.

Beg, borrow or steal, but getting all the flying on one sheet would be a huge leg up, no more whipsaw, everyone has a vested interest in the longevity of "the" company.

Exactly. ALL. Not just one small group of EMB's and the New Hires with them.

 

[DashTrash400]

Exactly. ALL. Not just one small group of EMB's and the New Hires with them.

I'm with you 100%, right up to the point where we explain to the crusty old Express I guys that they're giving up their secure job as a super senior CRJ CA to be furlough fodder at NWA. Same goes for Mesaba.

Compass is simply the easiest to integrate with NWA because a staple doesn't represent any additional career risk beyond what CPS pilots currently face (ie any NWA flowdowns=furlough). If you're gonna bring Mesaba and Pinnacle lifers into the fold a staple isn't gonna cut it for them; yet a staple is the only thing that's gonna get support from NW/DL pilots.

"Politics is the art of the possible" - Otto von Bismark

 

[DashTrash400]

PS - if you have any ideas on how to get all redtail regional flying on the NWA list in a manner acceptable to the pilots at XJ, 9E, and CP as well as the NWA guys, I'm all ears. Hell, I'll write the MEC. Bonus points if you can figure out how to do the same thing with DL and the DCI carriers.