Compass to Seperate from DAL MEC

[DrewBlows]

Just the fact that such a landmark decision regarding the Compass pilot group could be made by pilots that were not employed at Compass should be reason enough for people to realize they need their own representation. It seems to me that the north councils voted to keep Compass in mostly to retain the vote count so they could be more influential on new DAL MEC.

bingo!

It's funny how everyone, other than Compass pilots (and former NWA pilots), think they know what's best for Compass pilots.

Go away. You don't know what you are talking about and add nothing to the conversation.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Compass has 6 LEC members, an FO and CA rep for DTW, MEM, and MSP. We vote for our elected reps just like every other former NWA pilot in those bases. The position you are talking about is a 'coordinator' position. It's not an elected position because we already have elected representatives.

Please go back to hijacking DAL threads.

Do these 6 LEC officers have a vote on the DAL MEC?

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Do these 6 LEC officers have a vote on the DAL MEC?

Nope. It's more or less an entity within an entity. Not a bad deal for them since they have the resources of deltoid alpa.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

More like a tick on the sphincter of the dog.

Same could have been said about Republic at one time....Never say never...The rules are changing as the tail starts to wag the dog...

 

[JoeMerchant]

Nope. It's more or less an entity within an entity. Not a bad deal for them since they have the resources of deltoid alpa.

Not a bad deal?

Not having a vote on the MEC is a bad deal and a DFR lawsuit waiting to happen...Why don't they get a vote? Are they not members?

I can't believe people are actually advocating that this is a "good deal"..

 

[JoeMerchant]

More like a tick on the sphincter of the dog.

OK...We'll go with your analogy...A pain in the ass that is sucking blood out of the host....Still a problem....

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

You and your lifer friends are not near the problem you think you are. Somehow you guys think you are a bigger probem than you really are. Just an annoyance that is being dealt with by the increasing parking of the bloodsuckers.

OK...We'll go with your analogy...A pain in the ass that is sucking blood out of the host....Still a problem....

 

[PCL_128]

Not a bad deal?

Not having a vote on the MEC is a bad deal and a DFR lawsuit waiting to happen...Why don't they get a vote? Are they not members?

I can't believe people are actually advocating that this is a "good deal"..

DFR isn't a factor. The law provides for a "wide range of reasonableness" in how unions set up their structure and provide representation. The CPZ/NWA/DAL structure is well within that guideline. Sorry, Joey.

 

[lookin4better]

Compass = Mid-Atlantic

Only a matter of time.

 

[JoeMerchant]

DFR isn't a factor. The law provides for a "wide range of reasonableness" in how unions set up their structure and provide representation. The CPZ/NWA/DAL structure is well within that guideline. Sorry, Joey.

Not giving pilots a vote in their MEC isn't "reasonable"...The Delta MEC seems to agree that this is a legal problem...Isn't that why they are pushing to seperate Compass?

 

[PCL_128]

Not giving pilots a vote in their MEC isn't "reasonable"...

Unions aren't even required by law to give members a vote at all at the local level. For example, the IBT has it in their Bylaws that the IBT President can force them to take a contract even if their local leadership votes it down. The only membership ratification that is mandated by law is the vote for certification of the bargaining unit. After that, pretty much anything is fair game as far as the law is concerned.

The Delta MEC seems to agree that this is a legal problem...Isn't that why they are pushing to seperate Compass?

I don't think that has anything to do with it. It's far more likely that a certain grand pooba thinks he's too good to be mixing his pilots with a bunch of "little airplane drivers."

 

[DrewBlows]

Do these 6 LEC officers have a vote on the DAL MEC?

Yes. Our LEC officers are the same as the former NWA pilots who work (or choose to vote) in those bases. I'm a council 20 member, I got my ballot last month just like every other council 20 member.

Do you think that maybe you should inform yourself before spreading conjecture about something you know nothing about?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Yes. Our LEC officers are the same as the former NWA pilots who work (or choose to vote) in those bases. I'm a council 20 member, I got my ballot last month just like every other council 20 member.

So your a member of the mainline LEC...without seniority numbers....However you slice it, it's a conflict of interest as you are now about to find out...You are going to be jettisoned by a group you put too much faith in.

The same reps that represent you, also represent a much larger group that have seniority numbers....This was doomed from the start....

ALPA keeps trying these "hybrid" type single groups and/or flowthroughs and they ALL turn out badly in the end...Either you are a single group with a single seniority list....or you are separate and should have your own representation that represents you and only you....

 

[PCL_128]

Joey, you're missing his key point: they have representation in Council 20, and both of the Council 20 reps voting against this nonsense, just as the overwhelming majority of the CPZ pilots apparently want. They got their representation. It's ridiculous for you to continue claiming that they didn't.

 

[DoinTime]

They got their representation. It's ridiculous for you to continue claiming that they didn't.

Representation from pilots not on your seniority list and who don't work for your airline is hardly representation. I hope you don't think the new DAL MEC is made up of wholly righteous individuals that put the health of the industry and the honor of the profession before petty, political infighting over selfish interests. You should know better than that.