DAL737FO said:
Surplus1,
What complete garbage! Look you can't have it both ways.
I guess you don't read very well. I never asked for anything both ways. You are the one's that want it to be both ways. You spend years trying to shaft us when you don't need anything, an then when you do want something you expect us to bend over and get excited over your wants. Life doesn't work that way my friend.
Truth is the only thing I want buddy, is for you to stay on your property and stop messing with ours. You don't control us and we aren't going to let you. So stop trying already. Then we'll all be happy campers.
I thought the reason you guys had the RJ's was because it was beneath a mainline pilot to fly. That is what everyone has been saying on this forum.
We got the RJs because our own company decided to buy them with its own money. I promise you that no one gave a second thought to how you felt about it. The fleet change was managements' business decision and I'm certain they did not spend 5-minutes thinking about whatever you thought it was beneath you or othersise. We didn't need your permission to do it and we didn't ask your permission. I don't think you've been there long enough to even know that you had no Scope to prevent it. You didn't "permit" a dam_n thing. All of your so-called "Scope" was introduced
after we had been operating the aircraft for three years. I would guess that before WE introduced RJs to the North American market YOU didn't even know what they were. The Ostrich often misses a lot while its head is proudly buried in the sand.
That is your problem not ours. Maybe you don't know it, but the first time you ever attempted to impose a limit was in your 1996 Agreement. Leading up to that you attempted to prevent us from operating
any 70-seaters.
You failed, and wound up with a new Scope clause that provided for an
unlimited number of 70-seaters and imposed no other restrictions or limits. We did not attempt to move that artificial line.
Since then, you have consistently attempted to further restrict our operations at every opportunity. You tried to transfer the 70-seat flying to yourselves.
You failed but you did try. You did succeed in imposing a change from unlimited to 57 total at DCI and a slew of other rediculous restrictions on our flying. The only reason you didn't do more is because the Company said no.
I don't give a hoot
why you tried to take from us.
The point is you did and you had no right to do so. It was and is a violation of the union's responsibility to represent our interests and to protect our jobs from folks like you.
We have not changed any tunes. It is you that have been consistently trying to change the rules to benefit yourselves at our expense. The only thiing we've done is defend what is ours against your predatory attacks, which have been aided and abetted by OUR union, in violation of the law. We will continue to do that, whether or not it ruffles your pin feathers.
You state that in this concessionary TA that we were actually trying to take your 70 seaters away! Give me a break. You are not on the negotating committee or even a Delta pilot so how did you come up with this little gem?
What I said was that during your concessionary bargaining you attempted to get the 70-seaters (above 57) for yourselves. When that was not successful, you proposed a J4J program that would put your pilots in the cockpits of our airplanes
ahead of our pilots. So, you get no breaks. That's what I said, that's what I meant, and that's what you did. You failed because the Company would not even listen to it and you decided you had bigger fish to fry, so you dropped it. Ask your MEC Chairman. Maybe this one will tell you the truth instead of lying to you all like his predecessors have.
The apparent provisions of your new TA
are more favorable to us than those of C2K. But, don't make out that it's that way because you did us some type of "favor". It came out the way it did for one reason and one reason only, i.e., that's the way the Company wanted it and you, under the circumstances, did not have the leverage necessary to prevent it; period. In other words, you had to cave on that issue because the other issues were more important. What you got in the TA is NOT what you tried to get and it is not what you wanted. You were simply forced by the Company to take what they were willing to give you in this respect. Now maybe that deflates your egos, but it is nevertheless a fact. I don't need to be on your negotiating committee or a Delta pilot to know that. Your "secrets" are not as secret as you seem to think. Don't forget, your management and our management are one and the same.
The bottom line remains unchanged. You are still trying to use our futures, our flying and our job security as bargaining chips in your negotiations, and you're proud of yourselves for doing it because you believe that you "own" the flying that we do. Well, I hate to burst your ego bubble but you do not
own any of the flying.
It all belongs to the Company. What part of it you get and what part you don't get is whatever the Company chooses to give you. The same applies to us. The one difference is that we have never tried to use your careers as a bargaining chip in our negotiations. We simply defend our side of the fence, whereas you are continuously trying to relocate the fence at our expense and to your benefit. As long as you continue to do that the conflict of interest will continue.
While your politicians are attempting to harm us at the bargaining table, they're smooth talking our MEC and pretending to be on our side. That is exactly what the APA did to Eagle, It is what ALPA has done to every regional it represents. Those that want to accept that crap are free to do so. Hopefully, Comair pilots will continue to be smart enough to see you for what you are (predators) and protect their own interests before worrying about yours.
We expect you to protect your own interests before worrying about ours. That is normal. What you need to do is expect the same from us.
In that respect we are just like you, i.e., the protection of our interests comes before the consideration of yours. As long as we remain separate, that is how it will be. It is also how YOU wanted it. You got what you wanted, now learn to live with it.
Spare me the stories about your liberal Scope. The purpose of Scope is to protect your job at Delta Air Lines. In case you didn't notice, ASA & CMR are not Delta; you have made that quite clear. Therefore, attempts to control my job at Comair is beyond your scope. We have no problem staying out of your territory. You have no right to infringe on ours. When you figure that out we'll get along just fine.
Another thing you should note. The Delta pilot group does not have even one (1) RJ deployed anywhere. The parent Company has a fleet of RJs deployed everywhere. That is no thanks to the Delta pilot group. In fact it is
inspite of the best efforts of the Delta pilot group to prevent it. So, don't preach to us about your alleged "liberalism". Save that for people that don't understand the real world in which we live. The Delta pilots have done Comair pilots NO FAVORS and should not expect or demand any favors from us.
We treat you just like you treat us. Nothing about that should "amaze" you in any way.
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