Comair union amenable to taking Delta pilots

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Didn't do anything to change it either. That's what the DAL guys are pi$$ed off about, all it would have taken was a simple piece of paper saying that the CMR MEC supported the hiring of DAL furloughees w/o seniority number resignation...THAT'S ALL IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN, but you couldn't find the compassion, or whatever to issue a simple statement.

The same thing could be said about DALPA members when in 1999-2000 ASA and COMAIR were purchased. A simple staple would not have hurt anyone. It would have prevented furloughs at mainline. Instead the mainline pilot group voiced opposition overwhelmingly. I fail to see why that is lost in all of this.

 

[CarjCapt]

That's right and wrong. You got the rj's because DALPA didn't want to fly them. You may have bought them, but at the time, the MEC deemed that it wanted all "small plane" flying to be done by DCI.

Let me understand you. We (CMR) got rj's because you (DALPA) didn't want to fly them, correct?

You may have not wanted to fly them but if you did you couldn't prevent CMR from do so. In 1991-92 CMR decided to buy (with our own money) and operate rj's not only under the code share with DAL but also within our own sphere of business. At that time we could operate as many 19-500 seat aircraft we wanted to without your permission.

 

[michael707767]

At that time we could operate as many 19-500 seat aircraft we wanted to without your permission.

You know, its your own fault you did not have contractual language saying if you were bought, you had to be merged in.

 

[surplus1]

Surplus:

That's right and wrong. You got the rj's because DALPA didn't want to fly them. You may have bought them, but at the time, the MEC deemed that it wanted all "small plane" flying to be done by DCI.

You're begging the question. There was no "DCI" when CMR bought those airplanes. There was also no Scope of any kind that applied to what we did. If you feel better by saying that was because your MEC deemed that it wanted all small plane flying to be done by someone else, be my guest. The truth is that your MEC and all the other mainline MEC's had their heads so buried in their own egos that they failed to see it coming and left themselves unprotected.

No different than the current situation at Comair. We went through two rounds of bargaining and did not think that job security was important enough to go for. Like you, we took the money and now we're paying the price. Like you, we made that bed and we are lieing in it.

On another note, a lot of DCI pilots have a hard time understanding that all DAL flying is controlled under the DALPA contract.

Not so fast Festus. I think it is Delta pilots that can't come to grips with the fact that all DAL flying is controlled by Delta Air Lines and not by DALPA. Your contract merely controls what the Company chooses to give you from time-to-time. In your latest TA that is self evident. The Company gave you 51% and gave DCI 49% of their flying. They kept control of the seat ranges they wanted and the number of airframes they wanted, as well as the percentage they would allocate to the subsidiaries (25%) and to the subcontractors (75%).

If you really believe that is indicative of your "controlling" anything, be my guest. As you point out, accurately, it's not worth the paper it's written on. The Company is in full control of what it wants to control. The rest is window dressing to give you the illusion that you're calling the shots.

hope you fared well in FL with all the hurricanes

Lost all my trees, but otherwise we did OK, thanks.

All the best.
S1

 

[DDpaysoff]

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Will eventually be back at Delta and will try my best to keep Comair pilots off property[/QUOTE]
Cool. There are plenty of other borderline chapter 11, cash bleeding, paycut taking, market share losing, non hiring airline pilot jobs out there to apply for. Fuk you very much, though.

 

[prodigal]

First off, I sh1t bigger than you!
Besides, last night your momma didn't think so! But then again, she had her mouth full most of the night. Next time, you better have the trailer cleaned, and put some beer in the fridge.
737

What a fine ambassador of your profession. Oh, and your airline, too.
YOUR momma would be very proud.

 

[michael707767]

I think it is Delta pilots that can't come to grips with the fact that all DAL flying is controlled by Delta Air Lines and not by DALPA. Your contract merely controls what the Company chooses to give you from time-to-time. S1

you are correct. Delta owns the flying. They have chosen to enter into a contract with the Delta pilots which gives us all the flying above 70 seats and any flying beyond 150 total 70 seaters. What about that do the DCI pilots not understand?

 

[atrdriver]

The same thing could be said about DALPA members when in 1999-2000 ASA and COMAIR were purchased. A simple staple would not have hurt anyone. It would have prevented furloughs at mainline. Instead the mainline pilot group voiced opposition overwhelmingly. I fail to see why that is lost in all of this.

I personally think that had ASA and CMR gone to the DAL MEC and proposed a staple that they would have listened. The way it was done, with the PID, and with many senior ASA/CMR pilots thinking that they would go right from the left seat of the RJ/ATR to the left seat of a 767 put a very bad taste in the DAL pilots mouths. And don't tell me that none of the ASA/CMR guys thought that would happen, because I flew with a bunch of them, and I heard it from their mouths. Besides, none of us were out of work, the DAL furloughees are. IT's just the right thing to so.