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Comair union amenable to taking Delta pilots [font=arial,helvetica][/font]


By James Pilcher
Enquirer staff writer
Comair's pilot union would be more than happy to take on any laid-off Delta Air Lines pilot, especially if it means the possibility of new large jets for the Erlanger-based regional carrier, the union's chairman said Wednesday.

The reaction comes as Delta's pilots vote on a tentative agreement that would allow the company to operate up to 150 70-seat regional jets at affiliates and subsidiaries such as Comair, up from the previous limit of 57.

That changed a previous strategy of the Delta pilots of trying to limit regional jet flying, which they saw as a threat to their jobs. However, there are still many more steps to clear before any new planes are flying, including fixing Delta's financial mess.

In return, those regional airlines must give preferential hiring to the 774 Delta pilots who have remained laid off following the 9/11 attacks.

A total of 1,060 pilots were cut, but some have been recalled under the order of a federal judge. The new deal with Delta would erase that recall schedule and only promise that the pilots would be back to work by 2008.

The tentative agreement between Delta and its pilots says that pilots at those Delta regional carriers who go along with the idea will be given preferential treatment when applying for a job with Delta's mainline, whenever that airline starts hiring again.

The pilot unions at Delta subsidiaries or affiliates would have to approve such an arrangement, however, both regarding their pilots and Delta's pilots.

"We actually sent the company a resolution (agreeing to allow Delta pilots to be hired first) this summer," said J.C. Lawson III, chairman of Comair's 1,900-member pilot union. "To be honest, with the way things are going, if they want to fly, they'll probably end up here anyway."

Delta's nearly 8,000-member branch of the Air Line Pilots Association is currently voting by phone or on the company's Web site on a new contract that would mean about $1 billion less in pay, benefits and work rules annually for pilots. The ratification vote ends Nov. 11. The Atlanta-based airline has warned bankruptcy is the only option without the cuts.

More than 800 Delta pilots are based locally. Of those who were laid off, 74 were based in Cincinnati, including 14 living in the area.

Comair and Delta officials also would not comment on the tentative agreement. But Delta has made it clear in recent years that members of its regional network, including Comair, would only get new jets if they have the lowest costs.

And a refusal in December by the Comair pilots and flight attendants - the highest-paid in the regional industry - to take a pay cut led to Delta's announcement in March that the Erlanger-based Comair would get no new planes next year.

Lawson said he expects the company will ask for cuts again.

"We know that could be coming, but I can't comment beyond that," Lawson said.

Delta's pilot union has long tried to limit the amount of regional jet flying, especially by larger planes, seeing it as a threat since routes could be reassigned to the smaller planes and to airlines that pay their pilots less.

A first-year pilot at Comair earns about $22,000 a year. A first-year Delta pilot now makes about $50,400 annually before the new contract, which would cut that figure to about $34,000.

A senior 70-seat captain makes a little more than $104,000 annually at Comair, while a senior Boeing 777 captain at Delta now makes nearly $288,000 a year and would get about $194,000 annually with the new contract.



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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was COMPANY policy, not UNION policy that CMR could/would not take the Delta folks. Dang it's early...
 
Yeah it's really funny when they blame the company for not hiring Delta pilots, then when they finally agree it was all them. Real nice.
 
I would quit flying before I would go to work at CMR. F**k them. I would have no problem going to ASA, Skywest, or any of the other regionals that have crapped all over the furloughed Delta pilots. But it will be a cold day in hell before you see me at CMR.
 
michael707767 said:
I would quit flying before I would go to work at CMR. F**k them. I would have no problem going to ASA, Skywest, or any of the other regionals that have crapped all over the furloughed Delta pilots. But it will be a cold day in hell before you see me at CMR.
Sadly, I think this is a very common view among Delta pilots right now. I have heard it from a number of my friends who fly there. Lawson has not won himself many friends in the DAL pilot camp.

The ASA guys should have no real problem getting on with DAL once hiring recommences in a few years (2008-9?) from what I have heard. My friends tell me that their efforts to take on furloughed DAL pilots over the years will pay off in spades - that's what I hear over and over... Having mainliners involved in the screening and interviewing process helps.
 
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That is quite ironic. I thought too that it was a management desicion? When did the union have anything to do with CHANGING THIS POLICY??? I thought it was a policy set in stone, only to be broken out after World War 4? Give me a break. This is known to all Delta pilots, furloughed or not, and it will be interesting to see what happens some day when we do start hiring again.



Bye Bye--General Lee
 
It still is a company policy...Delta's policy. If Delta really wanted Comair to hire Delta pilots, all they would have to do is what they're going to do anyways, tell them to. This had nothing to do with the union, but a lot of Delta pilots sure seemed to jump right into the trap management set, and have successfully split the unions. Be upset with whomever you want, but at least make an attempt to see the big picture.

...point management.
 
Oh yeah, I remember sooo clearly when Lawson and Ford both came out publically and asked "Why isn't Delta or Comair changing their policy? These furloughed pilots deserve a chance to keep their Delta seniority and still get a job at the BOTTOM of Comair's list.....Let it be so!!!!" I remember seeing that in some news report, right???? Hmmmm.



Bye Bye--General Lee
 
How does COMAIR contract compare to SkyWest's?

Principle before rQOL?

Good Day...
 

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