comair to buy aca dojets

[RJPilott]

33... and i'd hope if Delta takes those FRJ's that they bring back furloughed pilots (ie. friends).

 

[sleepy]

The DO Jet, what an excellent replacement for the E-120's that we just retired at ASA. The E-120 was a piece of poo, and so is the DO Jet.

The only reason I can see to give them to ASA is that our on-time performance is already dead last. The DO Jet can't really hurt us in that respect.

Give them to General Lee for the furloughed DAL pilots who can't find a job that pays more than $30K a year to fly.

 

[RJPilott]

if ANY of these rumors are true. Everyone at Comair and ASA should be polling for Delta furloughs to take FRJ slots short of refusing to fly the FRJ to get some brothers and sisters back in the air. Nuff said...

PS. Crew experience on the aircraft has alot to do with mx write-up's... just a bit of trivia... the FRJ is a fine machine when operated properly...

to answer your edit... some FRJ FO's make in excees of 45k per yr at ACA... not that im saying it is fair compensation.. DC-3 drivers got 50k per yr in the early days.... we all need to be thinking of the furloughed more often...

 

[sleepy]

if ANY of these rumors are true. Everyone at Comair and ASA should be polling for Delta furloughs to take FRJ slots short of refusing to fly the FRJ to get some brothers and sisters back in the air. Nuff said...

PS. Crew experience on the aircraft has alot to do with mx write-up's... just a bit of trivia... the FRJ is a fine machine when operated properly...

to answer your edit... some FRJ FO's make in excees of 45k per yr at ACA... not that im saying it is fair compensation.. DC-3 drivers got 50k per yr in the early days.... we all need to be thinking of the furloughed more often...

I doubt they would pay much at Comair or ASA. No with Chit around anyway.

 

[northeast]

PS. Crew experience on the aircraft has alot to do with mx write-up's... just a bit of trivina... the FRJ is a fine machine when operated properly...

Dude, just what are you saying? Have you any time in the equipment? Nice way to slam an entire pilot group while all along not being able to tell your a$$ from a hole in the wall. Some trivia for you:

1. Name another glass aircraft that has had complete and total screen failures, multiple times. Can you say bad 1VE panel? Do you have any idea what a 1VE panel is?

2. No flex T/O, mandated by the now defunct Fairchild Dornier Company. We're smoking motors left and right due to this. Our motors are a variant of a biz jet engine, not a military powerplant. Being REQUIRED to perform a TOGA takeoff everytime, is destroying these engines. But I guess you'll blame the inexperienced crews for this.

3. Boots. BF Goodrich designed a new, and improved, silver boot. It maked it look as if we have a hot wing. Too bad it's been poping left and right. That boot also wasn't designed for 'continuous duty'. Our boots are required to be operated in a continuous mode after the first trace of ice is detected. I hope that you aren't blaming the crews for following MANDATED procedures?

4. Bad generators. I guess an experienced crew will just ignore that an operate on a single gen.

5. Early on, the windsreens would shatter. It was a design defect. Care to blame the crews for that?

6. Let's not forget a mx dept that would rather 'Ops check good' an issue, rather than fix it.

6. What about ACA's 'self disclosure policy'. The company has never hesitated to hang a crew for a mx issue. We can do the 'right thing' while on line and ACA has no problem turning us into the FAA.

7. Does your perfect CRJ have FADEC? That d&%n thing causes more problems than it's worth.

I chalange you, Mr. Rocket Scientist, what could an EXPERIENCED CREW do to improve the DOJet's reliability?

 

[Patriot328]

Dude, just what are you saying? Have you any time in the equipment? Nice way to slam an entire pilot group while all along not being able to tell your a$$ from a hole in the wall. Some trivia for you:

1. Name another glass aircraft that has had complete and total screen failures, multiple times. Can you say bad 1VE panel? Do you have any idea what a 1VE panel is?

2. No flex T/O, mandated by the now defunct Fairchild Dornier Company. We're smoking motors left and right due to this. Our motors are a variant of a biz jet engine, not a military powerplant. Being REQUIRED to perform a TOGA takeoff everytime, is destroying these engines. But I guess you'll blame the inexperienced crews for this.

3. Boots. BF Goodrich designed a new, and improved, silver boot. It maked it look as if we have a hot wing. Too bad it's been poping left and right. That boot also wasn't designed for 'continuous duty'. Our boots are required to be operated in a continuous mode after the first trace of ice is detected. I hope that you aren't blaming the crews for following MANDATED procedures?

4. Bad generators. I guess an experienced crew will just ignore that an operate on a single gen.

5. Early on, the windsreens would shatter. It was a design defect. Care to blame the crews for that?

6. Let's not forget a mx dept that would rather 'Ops check good' an issue, rather than fix it.

6. What about ACA's 'self disclosure policy'. The company has never hesitated to hang a crew for a mx issue. We can do the 'right thing' while on line and ACA has no problem turning us into the FAA.

7. Does your perfect CRJ have FADEC? That d&%n thing causes more problems than it's worth.

I chalange you, Mr. Rocket Scientist, what could an EXPERIENCED CREW do to improve the DOJet's reliability?

FWIW there killer, rjpilott flies the Dornier and probably has more time in the dorkjet than about 80% of the pilot group.



I think you missed the point of his post. There are somethings in the dojet that get written up that can be taken care of at a later date or just fixed outright by the crew if they know how to do it.

I've heard guys calling in on mx freq for items that most of the more experienced pilots can take care of themselves.

 

[RJPilott]

FWIW there killer, rjpilott flies the Dornier and probably has more time in the dorkjet than about 80% of the pilot group.

i'd say 90%.. but who's counting .. 1VE? hmmm.. must be a typo for "I've"... now excuse me while i try to plug up the hole in my wall without confusing it for my a$$.. dont forget to make sure you write up all those NWS FAIL CAS's and abort for BLEED SOV FAIL

 

[Carl_Everett]

I think you missed the point of his post. There are somethings in the dojet that get written up that can be taken care of at a later date or just fixed outright by the crew if they know how to do it.

Please give an example of something the crew can fix. If I recall correctly, the FAA requires all discrepencies to be repaired by mechanics, or at least have printed guidance for the crew to fix it. You are sticking your head in the noose if you try doing MX on your own.

 

[RJPilott]

Thats cool Carl, while you're flying around by hand cause of an FGC Fail... i'll reboot... When you're delayed cause of a NWS Fail, we'll move the tiller. When you're waiting on MX for a NWS Power up fail, i'll press the little button on the panel and off we go... when you're delayed at an outstation to defer the coffee pots, some of us will be making our commute... shall i go on?

 

[northeast]

i'd say 90%.. but who's counting .. 1VE? hmmm.. must be a typo for "I've"... now excuse me while i try to plug up the hole in my wall without confusing it for my a$$.. dont forget to make sure you write up all those NWS FAIL CAS's and abort for BLEED SOV FAIL

RJPilott,

My bad. I thought you were slamming the entire group without anything to back it up. I've only seen one instance where the NWS FAIL CAS was written up. I also don't see any reason why the minor issues shouldn't be written up at a mx base. Ground a plane at an outstation for a busted light - hell no, write it up at a mx base ---- hell yes. That's what a mx base is for.

I've been looking at the new mx board on the crew portal for the past month or so. We consistantly have 4-6 DOJets down hard. You can't blame the inexperienced crews on that. This plane does have issues.

Peace

 

[RJPilott]

apology accepted

 

[zkmayo]

I agree with both of you. The FRJ is a maintenance pig overall, but there are a few folks flying it who dont seem to know when to use their head when troubleshooting a problem. There are no low timers flying this plane or any plane at ACA anymore, so this should be less and less of a problem.

In my opinion, if ACA can get rid of these airplanes without costing pilot jobs or losing a bunch of cash, they should by all means do it. these airplanes do a great job when everything is firing on all cylinders, but it is an absolute bear when its being tempermental.

good luck to all.

 

[SkywayFO]

This is a true statment. After last week everybody flying at ACA has been here at least a year. Well I really hope the Do's stay at ACA for awhile or I am SOL. I will get the F notice. I have flown both the Do and The RJ know and there is things I like about both. I flew the Do for 2 years, not at ACA. And you know what we didn't have near the problems, not saying we didn't have problems, just not as much as ACA. I think part of it is the cycles. At Skyway we used it as a wanabe RJ, MKE to BDL or RDU or IAD. At ACA CVG to DAY. You see the difference. Major abuse of the of the Velcro. God I miss the climb!!



"Mav, you got that number to that truck driving school? Truck Masters I think. I think I'm going to need that number!"

 

[BlueRidger]

In regards to the whole issue of anyone else taking the airplanes. There is a section in our contract that states if the planes are transferred then an appropriate number of pilots should be given the ability to go with them. Too lazy to look up the actual wording. Anyways, FWIW It is our contract and similarly if DALPA forces the dojet to leave ACA then ACA ALPA can force the new company to take our pilots.

 

[Patriot328]

Please give an example of something the crew can fix. If I recall correctly, the FAA requires all discrepencies to be repaired by mechanics, or at least have printed guidance for the crew to fix it. You are sticking your head in the noose if you try doing MX on your own.

Uhh.. yeah.. what he said..

on edit...
Allow me to eleborate... i shouldn't cycle a bleed to get it to open? or pehaps I shouldn't bump the power up for a sticky bleed.. or the nws pwr up fail?

how about a tcas fail... write that up too? or a gear light bulb at an outstation where contract mx will take 1 hr to get there?

I'd NEVER do anything against the FOM, but these planes would never, ever get off the ground if the crew didn't have a little common sense and initiative....