comair to buy aca dojets

[General Lee]

RJpilot,

I just can't see Delta or Dalpa giving date of hire to ACA FRJ pilots, let alone use them on mainline. But, I do wish our furloughs could have the chance to fly them---but that also seems unlikely. Maybe they could fill in the gaps if some of the ACA guys stay with ACA. But, I doubt any of them would want to fly with the Comair pilots due to the "CRM" problems. Who knows?

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[asarjfo]

RJPilott...uhhhhh, right.

Delta does own the FRJ's and has a leaseback deal with ACA. What I heard was that the airplanes will come to CMR...just the airplanes. That's the fresh word from the crewroom.

Go Bucs!

We all know how much fun crew room news can be, but in a reality why would Delta continue to operate the airplane in light of the diffuculties in obtaining parts. It will only get worse, so cut your loses and move on.

Only time will tell

 

[Wacopilot]

We all know how much fun crew room news can be, but in a reality why would Delta continue to operate the airplane in light of the diffuculties in obtaining parts. It will only get worse, so cut your loses and move on.


Yea, Our CP and DO office is in our crew room......I understand the parts arguement, however it might be something along the lines of why they still operate the 737-200. They are the right size for the market and they are PAID FOR. You know, GeeLee is always talking about the massive debt that Delta has due to CMR expansion, this would get rid of some future debt at the hands of almighty CMR......they are paid for.

Food for Thought

 

[Patriot328]

Man you people can be some real uptight SOBs...


I have a strange feeling rjpilott was being, umm.. what's that word..




oh yeah...


SARCASTIC...


Y'all want the FRJs, you can have em... you'll be inheriting more problems than you can imagine..

I'm willing to bet we do more engine swaps a year on our 33 dorkjets than comair does on all of its CRJs, 50 and 70 seaters. Just wait til pratt's warranty wears out..

Don't worry.. when you're flying them and have a problem, just ask to talk to a Blueridge on frequency. Most of us can fix just about any problem with a little mojo....

I love my little bird and it's a good plane for the market it runs (more or less.. we're so full I think comair should be doing most of our flights with 40 seaters, but they didn't ask my opinion), but it is a maintenance hog and it's only going to get worse and they get pounded into the ground 10 times a day.

 

[RJPilott]

LOL..

Hey guys.... did i mention i had a bridge for sale? CHEAP!!

its in Brooklyn.. special deal for you Gen Lee.... but wont last long.....


i cant believe people even responded to that post.... too funny...

but i do remember hearing if Delta takes the FRJ's they will fill them with furloughed Delta pilots.... as they should.... Get some of our bro's back to work...

 

[smellthejeta]

Okay... the other day i saw an ACA crj with no UAL titles on it, and my buddy that flies for ACA said it was being used as a charter jet.. but then i saw a J-41 with the U titles missing... are you painting them over?? or was that another "charter" plane?

Those paint jobs are misnomers. It used to be that 685BR/691BR/701BR would do the charters (I think those three don't have the UAX paint jobs). However, lately, ACA has been using any bird they feel like for their charters.

As far as the J41's go, sometimes they do get pulled for charters, but only when they company is desperate. God, why would anybody want to pay to fly on one of those things when the FRJ can be chartered? I don't know why the tulips are being taken off, probably because those birds are getting ready for retirement.

 

[General Lee]

RJpilot,

Sold! Whatever you have to sell, I'm buying it!!!!


Whako,

The majority of our Capital expenditures for this year went to RJ purchases, and this hasn't been the best year for us. Other additions to our debt problem have been for Delta---like the BOS terminal expansion, and the JFK terminal too. I was just reminding everyone what we are actually paying for and the debt situation. Regardless, it will all be taken care of when we all get paycuts.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[sabreliner]

Just to provide some perspective to the original subject, we at ASA are also hearing that the Doh Jets might come here if they dump ACA.

They are telling us that we are the best positioned right now to take them since we are overstaffed and our training dept is spooling down from the last of the Brasilia displacements.

Just goes to show, don't believe anything until they show up with your logo on them.

 

[RJPilott]

RJpilot,

Sold! Whatever you have to sell, I'm buying it!!!!



Bye Bye--General Lee

PM me for info.. i accept paypal


For those that think they are "overstaffed" or have a job and excited about getting more jets.. .think of your furloughed brethren.. I work for ACA. Last i want to see is us losing airplanes. But if we do, I certainly hope it gets some pilots off the street (ie. Furloughed Delta) Frothing at the mouth due to rumors is so unbecoming.

 

[FlyComAirJets]

ALPA has a wonderful fragmentation policy and has been known, on occasion, to use it. If a bunch of the Dorniers were to come the way of an ALPA carrier such as ASA or Comair, doesn't it stand to reason that the crews and support stafff would be offered the chance to go along with them?

Bids are out!

 

[RJPilott]

33... and i'd hope if Delta takes those FRJ's that they bring back furloughed pilots (ie. friends).

 

[sleepy]

The DO Jet, what an excellent replacement for the E-120's that we just retired at ASA. The E-120 was a piece of poo, and so is the DO Jet.

The only reason I can see to give them to ASA is that our on-time performance is already dead last. The DO Jet can't really hurt us in that respect.

Give them to General Lee for the furloughed DAL pilots who can't find a job that pays more than $30K a year to fly.

 

[RJPilott]

if ANY of these rumors are true. Everyone at Comair and ASA should be polling for Delta furloughs to take FRJ slots short of refusing to fly the FRJ to get some brothers and sisters back in the air. Nuff said...

PS. Crew experience on the aircraft has alot to do with mx write-up's... just a bit of trivia... the FRJ is a fine machine when operated properly...

to answer your edit... some FRJ FO's make in excees of 45k per yr at ACA... not that im saying it is fair compensation.. DC-3 drivers got 50k per yr in the early days.... we all need to be thinking of the furloughed more often...

 

[sleepy]

if ANY of these rumors are true. Everyone at Comair and ASA should be polling for Delta furloughs to take FRJ slots short of refusing to fly the FRJ to get some brothers and sisters back in the air. Nuff said...

PS. Crew experience on the aircraft has alot to do with mx write-up's... just a bit of trivia... the FRJ is a fine machine when operated properly...

to answer your edit... some FRJ FO's make in excees of 45k per yr at ACA... not that im saying it is fair compensation.. DC-3 drivers got 50k per yr in the early days.... we all need to be thinking of the furloughed more often...

I doubt they would pay much at Comair or ASA. No with Chit around anyway.

 

[northeast]

PS. Crew experience on the aircraft has alot to do with mx write-up's... just a bit of trivina... the FRJ is a fine machine when operated properly...

Dude, just what are you saying? Have you any time in the equipment? Nice way to slam an entire pilot group while all along not being able to tell your a$$ from a hole in the wall. Some trivia for you:

1. Name another glass aircraft that has had complete and total screen failures, multiple times. Can you say bad 1VE panel? Do you have any idea what a 1VE panel is?

2. No flex T/O, mandated by the now defunct Fairchild Dornier Company. We're smoking motors left and right due to this. Our motors are a variant of a biz jet engine, not a military powerplant. Being REQUIRED to perform a TOGA takeoff everytime, is destroying these engines. But I guess you'll blame the inexperienced crews for this.

3. Boots. BF Goodrich designed a new, and improved, silver boot. It maked it look as if we have a hot wing. Too bad it's been poping left and right. That boot also wasn't designed for 'continuous duty'. Our boots are required to be operated in a continuous mode after the first trace of ice is detected. I hope that you aren't blaming the crews for following MANDATED procedures?

4. Bad generators. I guess an experienced crew will just ignore that an operate on a single gen.

5. Early on, the windsreens would shatter. It was a design defect. Care to blame the crews for that?

6. Let's not forget a mx dept that would rather 'Ops check good' an issue, rather than fix it.

6. What about ACA's 'self disclosure policy'. The company has never hesitated to hang a crew for a mx issue. We can do the 'right thing' while on line and ACA has no problem turning us into the FAA.

7. Does your perfect CRJ have FADEC? That d&%n thing causes more problems than it's worth.

I chalange you, Mr. Rocket Scientist, what could an EXPERIENCED CREW do to improve the DOJet's reliability?

 

[Patriot328]

Dude, just what are you saying? Have you any time in the equipment? Nice way to slam an entire pilot group while all along not being able to tell your a$$ from a hole in the wall. Some trivia for you:

1. Name another glass aircraft that has had complete and total screen failures, multiple times. Can you say bad 1VE panel? Do you have any idea what a 1VE panel is?

2. No flex T/O, mandated by the now defunct Fairchild Dornier Company. We're smoking motors left and right due to this. Our motors are a variant of a biz jet engine, not a military powerplant. Being REQUIRED to perform a TOGA takeoff everytime, is destroying these engines. But I guess you'll blame the inexperienced crews for this.

3. Boots. BF Goodrich designed a new, and improved, silver boot. It maked it look as if we have a hot wing. Too bad it's been poping left and right. That boot also wasn't designed for 'continuous duty'. Our boots are required to be operated in a continuous mode after the first trace of ice is detected. I hope that you aren't blaming the crews for following MANDATED procedures?

4. Bad generators. I guess an experienced crew will just ignore that an operate on a single gen.

5. Early on, the windsreens would shatter. It was a design defect. Care to blame the crews for that?

6. Let's not forget a mx dept that would rather 'Ops check good' an issue, rather than fix it.

6. What about ACA's 'self disclosure policy'. The company has never hesitated to hang a crew for a mx issue. We can do the 'right thing' while on line and ACA has no problem turning us into the FAA.

7. Does your perfect CRJ have FADEC? That d&%n thing causes more problems than it's worth.

I chalange you, Mr. Rocket Scientist, what could an EXPERIENCED CREW do to improve the DOJet's reliability?

FWIW there killer, rjpilott flies the Dornier and probably has more time in the dorkjet than about 80% of the pilot group.



I think you missed the point of his post. There are somethings in the dojet that get written up that can be taken care of at a later date or just fixed outright by the crew if they know how to do it.

I've heard guys calling in on mx freq for items that most of the more experienced pilots can take care of themselves.

 

[RJPilott]

FWIW there killer, rjpilott flies the Dornier and probably has more time in the dorkjet than about 80% of the pilot group.

i'd say 90%.. but who's counting .. 1VE? hmmm.. must be a typo for "I've"... now excuse me while i try to plug up the hole in my wall without confusing it for my a$$.. dont forget to make sure you write up all those NWS FAIL CAS's and abort for BLEED SOV FAIL

 

[Carl_Everett]

I think you missed the point of his post. There are somethings in the dojet that get written up that can be taken care of at a later date or just fixed outright by the crew if they know how to do it.

Please give an example of something the crew can fix. If I recall correctly, the FAA requires all discrepencies to be repaired by mechanics, or at least have printed guidance for the crew to fix it. You are sticking your head in the noose if you try doing MX on your own.

 

[RJPilott]

Thats cool Carl, while you're flying around by hand cause of an FGC Fail... i'll reboot... When you're delayed cause of a NWS Fail, we'll move the tiller. When you're waiting on MX for a NWS Power up fail, i'll press the little button on the panel and off we go... when you're delayed at an outstation to defer the coffee pots, some of us will be making our commute... shall i go on?

 

[northeast]

i'd say 90%.. but who's counting .. 1VE? hmmm.. must be a typo for "I've"... now excuse me while i try to plug up the hole in my wall without confusing it for my a$$.. dont forget to make sure you write up all those NWS FAIL CAS's and abort for BLEED SOV FAIL

RJPilott,

My bad. I thought you were slamming the entire group without anything to back it up. I've only seen one instance where the NWS FAIL CAS was written up. I also don't see any reason why the minor issues shouldn't be written up at a mx base. Ground a plane at an outstation for a busted light - hell no, write it up at a mx base ---- hell yes. That's what a mx base is for.

I've been looking at the new mx board on the crew portal for the past month or so. We consistantly have 4-6 DOJets down hard. You can't blame the inexperienced crews on that. This plane does have issues.

Peace