Comair MEC burning bridges with Delta?

[Lumber Yak]

Wait a second.... Delta's MEC offers Comair's MEC preferential treatment for future hiring and the Comair guy balks and instead goes for the full bonanza? Does that sound like looking a gift horse in the mouth? Why would anyone do that? Why upset the people who will be hiring your members in the future? Big mistake?

I'll bet most junior and mid-level Comair pilots (the vast majority of pilots) would at least like the OPTION of being hired at Delta later on when expansion continues... Am I wrong?

I will confirm that Delta pilots are, IN FACT, involved in all pilot interviews. Probaby not such a good idea to upset the very people who interview you... Great news if you are an ASA pilot and want to fly for Delta at some point (not necessarily the best option for all pilots) - you suddenly look a lot better.....

Do you think the Comair MEC made a mistake? Those Delta guys I overheard at the driving range did not sound happy at all....

Please don't flame me - I just want clarification... Thanks

 

[PCL_128]

NYRANGERS:

The copy of the resolution from LEC 44 that I saw contained specific language that stated the hiring of CMR pilots was NOT supported in the future by the DAL MEC. Is this correct or was this a doctored copy of the resolution meant to anger CMR pilots?

 

[sleepy]

Wait a second.... Delta's MEC offers Comair's MEC preferential treatment for future hiring and the Comair guy balks and instead goes for the full bonanza? Does that sound like looking a gift horse in the mouth? Why would anyone do that? Why upset the people who will be hiring your members in the future? Big mistake?

I'll bet most junior and mid-level Comair pilots (the vast majority of pilots) would at least like the OPTION of being hired at Delta later on when expansion continues... Am I wrong?

I will confirm that Delta pilots are, IN FACT, involved in all pilot interviews. Probaby not such a good idea to upset the very people who interview you... Great news if you are an ASA pilot and want to fly for Delta at some point (not necessarily the best option for all pilots) - you suddenly look a lot better.....

Do you think the Comair MEC made a mistake? Those Delta guys I overheard at the driving range did not sound happy at all....

Please don't flame me - I just want clarification... Thanks

Sure they are making a mistake. DALPA is the only pilot group on the property that has any power. We at ASA and Comair have no scope. No prospect of getting any scope. Therefore we do not control any flying, and have no power. Just look at what Comair accomplished with their 89 day strike (nothing much, it was a draw). We at ASA will end up the same way if we are ever allowed to strike.

So, knowing this, why would you piss-off the most powerful pilot group on the DAL property. It could be that the Comair pilots think the DAL pilots are down and out, that the RJDC will win their lawsuit, that DALPA scope restrictions will end, and that they don't need anything from the DAL pilot group.

It is more likely that the RJDC will lose their lawsuit. At some point FM will end, furloughs will stop, and recalls will begin. At some point DAL will again hire pilots. When that happens will this stand by the Comair MEC be worth the price for those Comair pilots who want to move on to DAL? It would have cost them nothing to pass a resolution calling on Comair management to hire furloughed DAL pilots without asking them to resign their DAL number. Comair management will do what they want to do anyway.

This is a big mistake, and in the long run the Comair pilots will suffer for it.

 

[spinproof]

You know while you "mainliners" whine about a few jobs and "threaten" future job considerations, one might want to re-think ones position.

Specifically people flying "dinosaures" should take notice at the changing aviation infrastructure. The RJ is here to stay!!! The revolution isn't over, it's just starting!!

This popular baby comes in several convienent sizes. 50-70 and where not prohibited by (and soon to be negotiated away in future contracts) scope clauses, the 90!

While I'm sure business will go on as usual for a while, that may be all you have left, awhile!

So hold down the retoric "Sky King" you meet the same people on your way down as up!

If you want reasonable results you first have to be reasonable.

 

[MONKEY]

ACE just curious

Just wanted to know if you consider CMR, ASA, and DAL all one company. The reason I ask is you have a couple of things in your post that seem to conflict. Would just like a little clarification.

***** Southwest is a "seperate" company just like Comair. *****

***** negotiate brand scope that would state all Delta flying be preformed by Delta, ASA and Comair, or negotiate a plan for future integration of seniiority list that fairly recognizes ASA and Comair.
*****

It sounds like you are willing to except them as part of your company if they will keep out other codeshare. Not trying to start a fight, just trying to understand.

 

[CRJFlyer]

Flying sure was more enjoyable when there were no contracts, scope clauses, MEC's,....I'm kinda glad I have about a billion more interests than just worrying about whos screwing who..Honestly I'm more excited about my upcoming baseball season (not softball)than I am about some stupid grievance victory or even the fact that we are expanding..Unfortunately flying is the only way to pay the bills...so I have to deal with this legality crap. And listen to people hating another pilot group, and even worse hating another person just because they fly for the "wrong company". It's a whole lot of fun when an old man hates my 24 year old a@@ just because I fly for Comair, but if this job is all some people have to think about then I feel awfully sorry for them.

Personally I fly because I enjoy it and couldn't imagine working nine to five like some of my friends...unfortunately its some of the people in this industry that make it just a job..and in turn make my life miserable...atleast until the next baseball season.

 

[CRJFlyer]

my last post wasn't directed at anyone on this board...just the whole topic in general....and the fact that it gets pretty boring listening to the same gripes in ops and then on this board..

 

[Lumber Yak]

I agree with you CRJflyer - too many gripes in general. However, the main issue is whether your MEC has just screwed your ability to advance to Delta if you so wish (not everyone wants that option).

Essentially, your (elected?) MEC turned down Delta's offer for preferential treatment when interviewing for Delta slots (when things improve in 3-5 years) in return for preferential treatment of furloughed Delta pilots. Delta's MEC asked ASA's MEC for the same - and it was granted. As your ASA counterparts above would agree, your MEC got greedy and demanded too much too soon - and upset the Delta MEC (many of the same pilots who are involved in the interviews). Your MEC demanded "one-seniority list or nothing..."

It will make more sense to you in the future. To put it in a context that you will appreciate, Delta 757 pay would likely buy better baseball tickets for your entire family than CRJ pay. You wouldn't have to sit in the nose-bleed section... Basically, your top Comair pilots (MEC people) are cancelling your OPTION for upgrading to Delta some day in the future. That is pretty ballsey if you ask me... Well, if you WANT to fly for a major or major-to-be in the future, you always have Southwest or Jetblue - wait, how big are their pools?

Good luck to all involved!

 

[CRJFlyer]

Well I pretty much do agrre with ya...I know that Delta is probably never going to be an option for me because of all this....its just sad that people pass judgement because of all this contract stuff...rather than who would be fun to fly with

 

[Dieterly]

Don't worry boys, Delta might not be around in 5-7 years...

 

[Lumber Yak]

Wrong Dieterly - Delta has the best financial position of any major. Delta has considerable cash (in the $billions) and access to more if needed through lines of credit (unlike Continental which is constrained). It is true that Southwest, Airtran and JetBlue continue to erode market share, but Delta's situation is far different from that of UAL or even AMR. Delta will very likely be around - and the ASA pilots will benefit...

 

[PositiveRate]

I am not an airline pilot or employee, so I don't know much about airline politics. Would someone clear this up for me?

Lumber Yak...you sure opinionated for someone on the outside. Why don't you let us worry about our own career advancement instead of "telling us how it is" based on a conversation overheard at a driving range.

Delta, Comair and ASA are all on the same side. Most of this crap is just kool-aid.

 

[skydiverdriver]

PCL,
He did not demand elimination of scope. I don't know why you Delta guys keep saying this. You are like the liberals that run the major tv networks. Just keep saying it over, and over, and over, and perhaps the minions of simpletons will believe you. Good luck to you.

 

[trainerjet]

Just keep saying it over, and over, and over, and perhaps the minions of simpletons will believe you.

Sounds to me like you are talking about Surplus 1.

 

[Lumber Yak]

PositiveRate,

Last I heard this was an informational forum.... I was just relaying what I had heard - and I had questions. Do I have to ask for your permission to post questions on this forum? Sometimes the truth hurts, doesn't it? Your MEC, the people who are representing you, have maybe poisoned the relationship between your MEC and Delta's. If you are a wannabe-Delta driver someday, that can't be good news. Not all Comair pilots want to fly for Delta, but I bet some do... They have a right to know what their elected MEC is doing to their chances for advancement. CRJflyer is an example - it sounded like he had no idea about the possible implications.

Good luck to all involved!