Comair FO awakens

[wmuflyguy]

Joe Cespedes has let me down.....

Joe Pesci.....Never!!!

Carlin is by far one of the best modern philosophers in our day, and if people would quit hiding behind thier crosses, and prayer mats...they might actually see the light in something else and quit wasting time for an afterlife to never come...

And no one needs to pray for me......Im fine, football season is starting!!

You are giving this guy way more credit than he deserves. He is a standup comedian, not a philosopher.

I do find him hilarious, but calling him a philospher is giving him way to much credit.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Do we really have to do this?

http://carcino.gen.nz/images/index.php/00b9a680/463c5922


or try mygodcanbeatupyourgod.org

HOW IS THE FO?

 

[Superpilot92]

HOW IS THE FO?[/quote]

That is exactly what this thread needs to be about. Not an attack on him for speaking of God.

 

[The_Russian]

We are all tired some times, recognize it and adjust for it. We dont need more regulations for this, we have enough.

I didn't say we need more. I said they need to be changed.

Gann is rolling in his grave. Drink a cup of coffee and get to work. If you cant then get out.

If this accident had happened at the end of a 12 hour duty day with 6 hours of flying and their "circadian rhythms" had been interupted the day before I *might* be buying the fatigue issue.

To claim that these guys couldn't hold it together enough for the 3 hours needed to get from the hotel to the end of the runway because their "circadian rhythms" were out of whack is just unbelievable.

Everybody with an axe to grind has tried to hang their pet "problem" on this accident, mostly because we don't have that many accidents for them to drool over. The cause of this one is pretty simple and pretty clear, NTSB investigation complete or not. Pilots are paid to use the correct runway, these did not.

The worst thing you can do is be ignorant of fatigue problems. Rest issues are involved in almost every major accident that liveware has contributed to. Both of you should be ashamed of your posts. Please, pick up an aviation book on human factors. You will learn that this has a lot to do with circadian rhythms.

 

[USCtrojan]

First Officer Polehinke,

GOD be with you. I for one hope you have a speedy recovery and I know you will get through this mess. Focus on your family. There are a lot of us pulling for you and wish nothing but the best for you. Godspeed on your recovery.

Trojan

 

[snap145]

Lets not turn this into a holy war fellas...whats done is done. It happened and we have no control over that. Some of our beliefs are different. just because I believe in a higher power and choose to live my life based on those beliefs doenst mean i push it on those who dont. Lets try and keep our eyes on the prize here....we have a fellow pilot who is going through an extremely tough time right now because of what happened....regardless of what some of us think the cause was....all of us debating about wether or not there is a God and if it was his will that this happened will get us nowhere. All we can do is pray and hope for the best for our fellow pilot.

 

[foofighter145]

All we can do is pray and hope for the best for our fellow pilot.

I think you meant to say, all we can do is stay current, get enough rest, and avoid complacency at all costs and understand that mistakes happen and we should learn from this one and hope this pilot can live a somewhat normal life

 

[Superpilot92]

I think you meant to say, all we can do is stay current, get enough rest, and avoid complacency at all costs and understand that mistakes happen and we should learn from this one and hope this pilot can live a somewhat normal life

There is nothing wrong with Praying for him. I have been. You do what you want but dont tell someone they shouldnt pray for him. If thats not your thing then fine.

 

[temcgrew]

I think you meant to say, all we can do is stay current, get enough rest, and avoid complacency at all costs and understand that mistakes happen and we should learn from this one and hope this pilot can live a somewhat normal life

Well said.

 

[temcgrew]

There is no god. Why can't people undestand that things/accidents just happen due to error? The 4 year old little girl was run over by a car because of the driver not because it's a god's will. The crash in LEX happened because a mistake was made not because of a god's will. Did s god plan to kill all those folks? Ridiculous! It has nothing to do with a god. Belief in a god goes back thousands of years just to explain things that could not be explained at that time but we are smarter now and know better. People just don't want to be responsible whether good or bad.

How many of you god fearing people are really angry at this post at this moment? Just think about it for 2 minutes tomorrow......

You should have been born thousands of years ago and solved all of the religious fights that have plagued the world. Not only that but all of the wasted time we give to religious groups, we could all get more sleep.
Thanks for setting it straight before I went to far.

 

[snap145]

I think you meant to say, all we can do is stay current, get enough rest, and avoid complacency at all costs and understand that mistakes happen and we should learn from this one and hope this pilot can live a somewhat normal life

thank you for catching me...i realize that probably sounded a little bit hipocritical and self critisizing....i was trying to be as PC as possible....

 

[CFIse]

The worst thing you can do is be ignorant of fatigue problems. Rest issues are involved in almost every major accident that liveware has contributed to. Both of you should be ashamed of your posts. Please, pick up an aviation book on human factors. You will learn that this has a lot to do with circadian rhythms.

I'm well aware of fatigue problems. THE COMAIR ACCIDENT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH FATIGUE - or circadian rhythms or any of the other mumbo jumbo used to describe the fact that people who don't get enough sleep get tired AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN AWAKE FOR A WHILE.

These guys were awake MAYBE 3 hours, if they were fatigued after that they didn't have a regulation problem - they had a serious individual medical problem.

Fatigue us a VERY REAL problem in this industry, but this accident IS NOT fatigue related - and people who try to use this accident to pontificate about fatigue just make their arguments look stupid and hurt us all. YOU should be ashamed of yourself for trying to pin fatigue on this accident thus destroying any credibility that those of us who understand fatigue issues and are working to get something done have built up.

 

[The_Russian]

I'm well aware of fatigue problems. THE COMAIR ACCIDENT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH FATIGUE - or circadian rhythms or any of the other mumbo jumbo used to describe the fact that people who don't get enough sleep get tired AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN AWAKE FOR A WHILE.

These guys were awake MAYBE 3 hours, if they were fatigued after that they didn't have a regulation problem - they had a serious individual medical problem.

Fatigue us a VERY REAL problem in this industry, but this accident IS NOT fatigue related - and people who try to use this accident to pontificate about fatigue just make their arguments look stupid and hurt us all. YOU should be ashamed of yourself for trying to pin fatigue on this accident thus destroying any credibility that those of us who understand fatigue issues and are working to get something done have built up.

Have you been to college? Seriously.

 

[acaTerry]

There is no god. Why can't people undestand that things/accidents just happen due to error? The 4 year old little girl was run over by a car because of the driver not because it's a god's will. The crash in LEX happened because a mistake was made not because of a god's will. Did s god plan to kill all those folks? Ridiculous! It has nothing to do with a god. Belief in a god goes back thousands of years just to explain things that could not be explained at that time but we are smarter now and know better. People just don't want to be responsible whether good or bad.

How many of you god fearing people are really angry at this post at this moment? Just think about it for 2 minutes tomorrow......

Oh no, here they come again....do us all a favor and take a long walk off a short pier.

 

[acaTerry]

Does this thread really need to become another channel for the religious zealots to preach?

Hey dingushead, who started it? Your fellow athiest. Now don't make this tragedy any worse.

 

[mynameisjim]

Those of you who say you are praying for the FO, what do you say/think? I am not religious so I don't know what you'd be saying/thinking/asking for.

 

[acaTerry]

I'm well aware of fatigue problems. THE COMAIR ACCIDENT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH FATIGUE - or circadian rhythms or any of the other mumbo jumbo used to describe the fact that people who don't get enough sleep get tired AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN AWAKE FOR A WHILE.

These guys were awake MAYBE 3 hours, if they were fatigued after that they didn't have a regulation problem - they had a serious individual medical problem.

Fatigue us a VERY REAL problem in this industry, but this accident IS NOT fatigue related - and people who try to use this accident to pontificate about fatigue just make their arguments look stupid and hurt us all. YOU should be ashamed of yourself for trying to pin fatigue on this accident thus destroying any credibility that those of us who understand fatigue issues and are working to get something done have built up.

You are beyond ignorant...take your argument to NASA, who conducted so darn many studies on this issue that the evidence is conclusive. Fatigue goes beyond how much rest you were scheduled for. Circadian rhythmms, time zone changes, light, and other factors make the equation...not a determined amount of "rest".
But I guess in all your 1250 hours that you know more than NASA....

 

[Tomct]

I feel very bad for the FO. He will be crucified for sure! Those of you that DON'T believe in God...I Feel Very SORRY for YOU!

 

[Crossky]

II would not say it was God's will that the crash happened. I would, however, say that it was God's will that Polehinke survived.

Amen to that brother. I believe that God will be glorified in his life in the future. Word is, he had been reading the Bible regularly in the recent past. God regularly uses tragedy to bring Glory to himself. Remember the cruxifixion of Jesus Christ? (tragedy) How about his resurrection? (Glory!)

Anyway, what or who created the Universe? That entity was and is Almighty God. One of Newton's laws supposes to prove it, 'The cause of every reaction is an equal and opposite reaction'. You say "who created God?" Well, who created who created God, and on to infinity. That reasoning has to stop somewhere, and logically, it stops at God. So, God created the universe, and our galaxy, solar system, planet, and us humans by default, at the very least.

The question really to be asked is "Is God a personal or impersonal God?" And the answer is found in the person of Jesus Christ.

 

[capt. megadeth]

People just don't want to be responsible whether good or bad.

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Dude, chill. I am not religious but I don't think the guy is in the hospital bed trying to place blame.