Comair FO awakens

[Superpilot92]

In the end we will ALL see. To each their own. God Bless and Fly Safe Everyone. :beer:

 

[aussieflyboy]

I pity you and your soul.

Why don't you take 2 minutes tomorrow, and everyday thereafter, to read the Bible.

I would not say it was God's will that the crash happened. I would, however, say that it was God's will that Polehinke survived.

How could it not be god's will that it happened??

According to you believers, isn't everything that happens God's will? Isn't he some completely omniscient, all powerful being??

This is one thing that has always made me laugh. God knows everything and has the power to control everything, yet people always talk about God's "anger" at the way the world goes.

Well, it would seem to me that if God knows EVERYTHING and has power over EVERYTHING as you people claim, that means he knew that the holocaust was going to happen, he knew 9/11 was going to happen, he knew Comair 5191 was going to happen, yet he decided to let it happen??

What sort of sick twisted cruel uncaring and nasty being would allow such a thing? And then people who claim God is omniscient also manage to say he LOVES us in the same breath!!!!!!?????? (see above paragraph).

There are alot of things in this world I can't explain but the idea that there is some cosmic supreme being??? COME ONN!!!!!! WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE PEOPLE?? It doesn't make any sense.........

You'd think that in this day and age with all the technology that's come out and with all sorts of advances in medical sciences and physics and everything that this fanciful fairytale would have been put to bed a LOOOOONNNNGGGG time ago.

Reality is that believing in a supreme being belongs to a time and place when we didn't have the understanding of things the way we do now.

There was a time when people did not have the technology or the knowledge of viruses and bacteria so they assumed when people became sick and died it was a simple case of God's will, or they were evil people.

There was a time when people would look up at the sky and marvel at the stars and the moon and see them as magical pieces of creation and have no way to explain them other than they're God's handywork. But we know better now. As an earlier poster said before, it's absolutely astounding that intelligent people still believe in this crap.

I know people have strong views contrary to mine, but I can't quite understand why... Do you people believe in the tooth fairy and the easter bunny too?? Come on now

 

[bvt1151]

aussie,

Wow. Somebody seems a little bitter. Science is (seems) irrefutable. We see, we prove, done. The problem is that people think that science disproves the bible. In fact the very OPPOSITE is happening. Science is now able to prove a lot of the stories in the bible.

Don't believe in the star of Bethlehem? Science can prove that Mars and Jupiter came together in the Eastern sky to form a bright "star" the year Jesus was born.

Don't believe in the splitting of the Red Sea? Actual translations are of the "Reed Sea" and it has been proven that a shallow sea such as this can be "split" by several phenomina, including an earthquake/volcano which took place around the time of Moses' exodus.

Don't believe in an intelligent start to the universe? Even the most prominent physicists who spent their entire lives proving the big bang now find themselves as a victim of their own work. If it indeed DID happen, there's no explaination for what caused it other than an intelligent force.


The problem most people have is trying to extract scientific data from a religious book. Take the creation story, for example. By definition, nobody was around to document it, and as a result we have a story of the seven days one would expect. Further examination of archeologists findings show species "explosions" such as the pre-cambrian explosion where hundreds of thousands of species just showed up. These "explosions" cannot be explained through evolution. This doesn't fit the literal text of the bible, but sure fits in the theme of new species being "created" on the earth at different time segments with Human's last.


Did you know Darwin was a Christian? Did you know that Christians understand that evolution exists, but also understand what the "unexplained phenomina" in the evolutionary tale are due to?


My point is that if you're going to try to use reasoning or science to disprove the existence of a Supreme Being, you'd better make sure you're getting the facts. Some people are so afraid to be "fooled" by Christians, they're eager to be just as fooled by science.

 

[jayme]

Science doens't start out with a conclusion, e.g. the red sea was parted, and work backwards to a theory about how that could have happened. Science and religion are NOT complimentary fields.

However, Aussie, if Mr. Polehinke, who, by the way, this thread is about, finds comfort in religion, so be it. He will need all the help he can get to get through this. On behalf of all SkyWest pilots, I wish him the best.

 

[aussieflyboy]

bvt1151,

I mentioned earlier in my post that I am indeed mystified by many phenomena not least of which is the origins of the universe.

I also am not bitter in the slightest, some of my best and dearest friends are devout christians and I've engaged in many hours of respectful debate about Christianity and I just don't feel it makes ANY sense.

How can you people sit there with a straight face and say that some INVISIBLE FORCE created the universe and everything within it? It's a complete cop-out. May as well say that the universe was farted out of the butt of a huge space-elephant...

If you're trying to tell me that all the stories in the bible actually happened then I would again ask you if you believe in the tooth fairy or santa claus. I'm pretty sure even most Christians would tell you that many of the stories in the bible are merely meant to be read to extract the moral teachings they may have to offer.

I went to a Christian high school and so attended religious classes and went to church a lot at school, so I've been exposed to alot of the bible even though I'd be lying if I said that I've read it from cover to cover.

It's not like I think the bible is a POS document. I believe it to be an interesting read full of wonderful stories which have much to teach people about how to treat your fellow man and the like.

But, people who blindly take the bible as God's word and believe as gospel everything within the covers are delusional. Do you really think some old man gathered up all the animals in the world and stuck them on a ship because a flood covered the whole world and everything else died?? Please!!!!

There are hundreds of fanciful fairytales in the bible which people would have to have rocks in their head to take literally...

As I said, there are lots of people who disagree with me, and some of my best friends are in that category, but if you're intelligent and can see logic and reason it baffles me how people can buy this $h*t

 

[aussieflyboy]

Science doens't start out with a conclusion, e.g. the red sea was parted, and work backwards to a theory about how that could have happened. Science and religion are NOT complimentary fields.

However, Aussie, if Mr. Polehinke, who, by the way, this thread is about, finds comfort in religion, so be it. He will need all the help he can get to get through this. On behalf of all SkyWest pilots, I wish him the best.

Jayme,

I couldn't agree more with you my friend...

One of the best things about religion is that it gives people a feeling of meaning to their lives (whether or not that feeling of meaning is justified is another matter). I have always said that no matter what religion a person believes in, if it makes him a better person for having the faith then it's definately a good thing.

For example... If I believed that the tooth fairy was my lord and saviour and she had commanded me to live my life as a good person and help old people and be kind to children etc. so that I could get into some little tooth fairy heaven where everyone's teeth were white and there were hot little magical ladies flyin around then that would be a good thing too...

Ok I'm being silly now, I'm done

 

[aussieflyboy]

Let me also add that I'm sure Mr Polehinke will be having the toughest of times in his road to emotional and physical recovery and I wish him all the very best for the future, as I'm sure everyone here does.

 

[bvt1151]

Science doens't start out with a conclusion, e.g. the red sea was parted, and work backwards to a theory about how that could have happened. Science and religion are NOT complimentary fields.

Actually, science does start out with the conclusion that God doesn't exist. Take the big bang, for instance. They tried so hard to prove that God didn't exist that they accidentally proved He did. They realize that it violated their number one assumption and some are now trying to say "well maybe the big bang never happened."
Religion is NOT science. Its based on faith, and will never be used to "prove" anything. Science, however, requires disproof. Nothing can be totally proven, only disproven. Only after so many unsuccessful attempts at disproving something does science consider it proven. Its why we try to disprove the null hypothesis. Science has tried and tried to disprove God, and has been unsuccessful. How many unsuccessful disprovals are we going to shrug off before we consider the possibility?

bvt1151,

How can you people sit there with a straight face and say that some INVISIBLE FORCE created the universe and everything within it? It's a complete cop-out. May as well say that the universe was farted out of the butt of a huge space-elephant...

Nobody believed in the invisible air until it was proven to exist. Now we put our hands in the lives of this "invisible force" everytime we jump into the cockpit. Just because you can't see it...
As far as not believing in the invisible force that "farted out" the universe, I suggest you do some scientific research into the latest theories on the big bang. The question no longer is if God exists, its whether or not he has anything to do with us now.

If you're trying to tell me that all the stories in the bible actually happened then I would again ask you if you believe in the tooth fairy or santa claus. I'm pretty sure even most Christians would tell you that many of the stories in the bible are merely meant to be read to extract the moral teachings they may have to offer.

If you're trying to compare God to the tooth fairy or Santa Clause, you're way out in left field. First of all, when we hit 10, your parents don't admit to being God. Second of all, you obviously don't understand what the Bible is. Its a religious document written by a bunch of different people, very few of which actually new each other. Some of it is based on oral history, others are writings that were "voted" in by the early Catholic church and therefore is inherently flawed. It is not this document that was left smoking when a lightning bolt hit a piece of granite. I was told by a scholar that there are only 11 absolutes in the Bible, with the eleventh being that Jesus was the son of God. Outside of that, a lot of things are left to interpretation, most of which the "church" interpreted as an absolute.

I went to a Christian high school and so attended religious classes and went to church a lot at school, so I've been exposed to alot of the bible even though I'd be lying if I said that I've read it from cover to cover.

Ick. Christians schools. Its ironic how the people who do the most damage to Christianity are those that think they're helping.

But, people who blindly take the bible as God's word and believe as gospel everything within the covers are delusional. Do you really think some old man gathered up all the animals in the world and stuck them on a ship because a flood covered the whole world and everything else died?? Please!!!!

I have to admit that this was one of the stories I thought was wacko, until I started researching it (outside the Bible). I think there are some major losses due to translation and early writing and recording techniques, but the story does make a lot of sense. Do a search on "Mount Ararat" and you'll find some very convincing evidence that the ark did indeed exist. I'm not entirely sold on it yet, but it is intriguing. Granted, I don't buy that the entire world flooded and only the species he brought on board survived, but you have to take into account the perspective from which it was written. For a group of people living in a 200 square-mile area, if that 200-mile square area flooded, it would mean to them that the whole world flooded.

There are hundreds of fanciful fairytales in the bible which people would have to have rocks in their head to take literally...

You are absolutely correct! And that's the thing; modern Christians (at least the intelligent ones) are rereading the Bible with a critical eye. The days of taking every last word of the Bible literally are over. I've brought the same reservations you expressed to several Bible scholars, and to my suprise, they said I was right. There are some serious issues with the Bible, some of which you've pointed out. But when I studied the background into the people writing the scripts, amazingly a lot of really believable stories started to emerge from their perspective. And that's the irony in it for me. I tried like crazy to disprove the Bible using science. The fact is it can't be done. The parts that can be disproven are inconsequential and can easily be accountable to the perception of the writer, translation, or the suprisingly common issue that the writer never intended for his writing to be in a holy book.

As I said, there are lots of people who disagree with me, and some of my best friends are in that category, but if you're intelligent and can see logic and reason it baffles me how people can buy this $h*t

I don't care if you're a Christian, or if you ever become one. I'm not that good of one myself. I'm a pilot, therefore I rely almost entirely on logic. On the surface many people discount the Bible as illogical, but upon further study, I can tell you that it is extremely logical. Don't think that what you hear from "Christian's" has anything to do with the truth, and don't let some wacko tell you what "is" and what "isn't." They don't know, and are only regurgitating what someone else told them. If you really want to know, take the time to research it on your own. Suprised the h3ll out of me.

 

[PDH]

What a bunch of idiots.

How about we all just hope/pray for the poor guy.

Then let's all thank whomever we please, we're not in his shoes.

Thank You!!!

 

[mynameisjim]

Literally! figuratively......

 

[kngarthur]

How could it not be god's will that it happened??

According to you believers, isn't everything that happens God's will? Isn't he some completely omniscient, all powerful being??

This is one thing that has always made me laugh. God knows everything and has the power to control everything, yet people always talk about God's "anger" at the way the world goes.

Well, it would seem to me that if God knows EVERYTHING and has power over EVERYTHING as you people claim, that means he knew that the holocaust was going to happen, he knew 9/11 was going to happen, he knew Comair 5191 was going to happen, yet he decided to let it happen??

What sort of sick twisted cruel uncaring and nasty being would allow such a thing? And then people who claim God is omniscient also manage to say he LOVES us in the same breath!!!!!!?????? (see above paragraph).

There are alot of things in this world I can't explain but the idea that there is some cosmic supreme being??? COME ONN!!!!!! WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE PEOPLE?? It doesn't make any sense.........

You'd think that in this day and age with all the technology that's come out and with all sorts of advances in medical sciences and physics and everything that this fanciful fairytale would have been put to bed a LOOOOONNNNGGGG time ago.

Reality is that believing in a supreme being belongs to a time and place when we didn't have the understanding of things the way we do now.

There was a time when people did not have the technology or the knowledge of viruses and bacteria so they assumed when people became sick and died it was a simple case of God's will, or they were evil people.

There was a time when people would look up at the sky and marvel at the stars and the moon and see them as magical pieces of creation and have no way to explain them other than they're God's handywork. But we know better now. As an earlier poster said before, it's absolutely astounding that intelligent people still believe in this crap.

I know people have strong views contrary to mine, but I can't quite understand why... Do you people believe in the tooth fairy and the easter bunny too?? Come on now

Why did the FO blame GOD?

 

[FlyBunny]

15 Minute of Fame for the family members...

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/06/kentucky.survivor.ap/index.html

It always amazes me how quickly family member jump at the chance to be seen/heard on tv/radio.

What the pilot is saying right now should be strictly private and should remain between the family members...but no, the family has to let it out...this guy mostly likely can't even think straight and his mother is leting the world know what he's saying.

Unbelievable.

May he recovers fully!

To the family, allow him to make his own statement to the media. I don't need to hear every word he says to you in private.

 

[FlyBunny]

...maybe he was spared to become and advocate for reformed rest rules and scheduling policies...I like to think that everything, good or bad, happens for a reason.

TheRaven--Relax. How much rest do you want to give him. He deadheaded in the day before.

Lets look at the reasons this happened...Only 1 controller, too little rest, outdated 10-9 charts without current notam'd closures-NO that is not the main cause of this.

Every pilot makes mistakes but some mistakes you cannot make, and sadly this is one of them. Lets call a spade a spade here. Scheduling is not the problem here!

Agree!

 

[FlyBunny]

I was in a car crash when I was in high school. head on @70 with no seat belt. Only visible injuries were all the stiches in my head, but my entire body came to a sudden stop against the dash. The nurses would wake me up every hour and ask me who I was, etc. It was hell, I didn't know what pain and suffering was until then. If there had been something to unplug to end it I would have pulled it. I prayed many times during the next few days for God to end it-and I didn't believe in God. Same question as to why God let this happen.

I was just banged up, this guy is totally busted up, I can't imagine how much physical pain this guy is in. Morphine dulls it, but can only do so much-this guy has got to be at a level most of us can't imagine. So, if he says a few things that sound weird to you, take a min. and think about it-I'm not even figuring in the who mental aspect....

B

Nicely said!

 

[FlyBunny]

There is a God, as said before

Your opinion....

Not to go in a tangent, which I am, but how do you know there's 'GOD'?
So, if it's said, then there's GOG, right?