Colgan Update!! 1-22-07

[TurboAWD]

Well, it would make SOOOOOO much more sense for you guys to get jets since you are set up for it already. quote]

I understand and agree with that statement 100%. However, airline manangers do not always (often?) use logic. Plus, they see a long term benifit by whipsawing labor groups. Look at the MAIR purchase of Big Sky. Never made any money, but helped keep pilot costs low at the cash cow (Mesaba)- funny how Big Sky never went CH11. GOJets, Skywest/ASA, Piedmont/PSA/Allegany, Comair/ASA, etc. etc. There is often duplication in the industry, specificly for the purpose of playing one group of employees agains the other. And even if that is not PNCL mgmt intent today (although, I supect it at least partialy is), it certainly may be for the next group of managers (Mike and Phil will not be in charger forever). Which is why these kind of issues need to be resolved yesterday (by scope).

Turbo

 

[Snaab]

For the love of Pete....Everyone on here speculates worse than the popular girls in high school on who's going to be Prom Queen.

People doing the most belly-aching and firing shots on here are simply going on what history has shown with by-outs and mergers....Are you blind or deaf? Newsflash: THIS IS NOT A MERGER! As far as I know, the *entire* Colgan mgmt. team (save for Sen. Colgan, who will consult) isn't going anywhere, so what does that tell you? You think the Colgans are just going to roll over and die? Nooo way.

And another thing: How would merging seniority lists be good? I think I speak for everyone at CJC when I say: We would not go for that in 100 years.

-Snaab

 

[suupah]

And another thing: How would merging seniority lists be good? I think I speak for everyone at CJC when I say: We would not go for that in 100 years.

-Snaab

i hears that. lest the combined company lose about 250 pilots in a week

 

[greedypilot]

I tuned in for about 30 mins and left after 3-4 employee questions; was there any mention of 2nd year FO pay ?

 

[pilot05]

You know if you think your 401K match sucks it is better anyhow to invest in a Roth IRA. More choices on your mutual funds and only taxed on your principle not your capital gains unlike the 401K!
In the long run you could save up to 1 million bucks vs. a 401K (studies have shown) due to taxes!!!!

What studies? 1 million?

Actually congress passed a Roth 401k bill. That would be the best. Now, if our employers would just offer it to us.

 

[suupah]

I tuned in for about 30 mins and left after 3-4 employee questions; was there any mention of 2nd year FO pay ?

yup. they said that our pay rates are right at industry standard. there are some higher and some lower.

2nd year fo pay (tprop of similar size) per hour
colgan 23
Am eagle 26
mesa 21
commutair 22
era 30
horizon 32
island air 27
mesaba 28
piedmont 28


the average of all of these is 26.
the average sucks

 

[greedypilot]

so at $23 we are below average.. gotta love besting Mesa and Commutair

.. and the outflow of FOs continues ..

 

[TurboAWD]

As far as I know, the *entire* Colgan mgmt. team (save for Sen. Colgan, who will consult) isn't going anywhere

You don't know jack. You have been told some things. You have some opinions, but you don't know anything about what the future holds for Pinnacle Corp or Colgan.

And another thing: How would merging seniority lists be good? I think I speak for everyone at CJC when I say: We would not go for that in 100 years.

Well, I doubt you speak for everyone at CJC. As far as how it would be good, lets see:

1. It would completely stop any whipsaw

2. It would help promote (eventually) higher pay for everyone at the company (and others)

3. It would allow allow Colgan pilots that want to move on to a jet (and higher pay) the opportunity to do so without giving up longevity for pay or give up their seniority number and start again at the bottom.

4. It would allow pilots from both groups more choices in domiciles.

5. It would give Colgan pilots some compensation improvements even with the current (crappy) pncl contract (per diem for all duty, 401k match- even a small one)

6. It would give Colgan pilots union protection from the PNCL mgmt team. I think you'll want it, these are people that don't even think federal labor laws (FMLA, USREA, etc) apply to them.

I'm sure there are more reasons, but those are just of the top of my head.

Turbo

 

[suupah]

2nd year pay at 50 seat jet operators

pinnacle 24
Air wisc 35
chataq. 30
psa 27
tsa 25
am eagle 32
ASA 34
comair 39
ex jet 34
mesa 28
skywest 35

The average here is 31/hour

 

[suupah]

Why the HE!! are prop drivers paid less?

other than the fact that jets take so much more expertise to fly

 

[greedypilot]

Why the HE!! are prop drivers paid less?

cause we're dumb :laugh:

 

[Sig]

the fact that jets take so much more expertise to fly

Shhh... that's a trade secret.

 

[suupah]

cause we're dumb :laugh:

We might be dumb, but at least we look like idiots coming out of our broken looking props so that makes up for it.

oh btw, it is scientifically proven that chicks dig beta. that is why our fa's are so willing.

 

[Fred Rogers]

For the love of Pete....Everyone on here speculates worse than the popular girls in high school on who's going to be Prom Queen...

ha ha ha.. I think Irene is going to be prom queen.
I don't think there is a contest for king however.

Save Leroy

 

[Fred Rogers]

but seriously... Snaab is right, lots of speculation and what not. Try to remain calm and get along.