Colgan Update!! 1-22-07

[suupah]

See the attitude at Colgan is much different than most places. We are in and out in about 3 years. We don't care about long term stuff. After two years our minds are numb and we no longer know how long we have been here. the majors don't hire us, they rescue us. That has been the Colgan way since it started.

 

[redflyer65]

Double post

 

[TurboAWD]

RedFlyer, how long before you release the details of your new scope clause which limits the size and number of airplanes that Colgan can fly?

That is not a desireble outcome. The seniority lists should be integrated.

Turbo

 

[Mr Wu]

So, would you say it will not be in the forseeable future?

 

[Visceral]

I thought it was interesting during the FAQ review that they mentioned a union. It was something along the lines of "if the pilots choose to have a union, that is their prerogative." With ALPA's regional track record, mgmt probably had to work hard trying not to laugh.

 

[ColganCapt]

That is not a desireble outcome. The seniority lists should be integrated.

Turbo

Sorry, but that's not the plan at all. Until they decide NOT to operate the two airlines separately then the SL's will be separate as well. And as I understand it PAI will fly any new jets and CA will fly any and all turboprops.

 

[TurboAWD]

Sorry, but that's not the plan at all. Until they decide NOT to operate the two airlines separately then the SL's will be separate as well. And as I understand it PAI will fly any new jets and CA will fly any and all turboprops.

First off, I didn't say plan, I said desirable outcome.

Second, that would depend upon if ALPA decides to and successfully argues that the 9E contract requires integration.

As for PAI flying jets/CA on props, they are under no restriction to keep it that way. Hence, major potential for whipsaw.

Turbo

 

[dingo222]

As for PAI flying jets/CA on props, they are under no restriction to keep it that way. Hence, major potential for whipsaw.

Turbo

Potential is everywhere. Most of our planes can't fly your routes. They are either under contract for EAS for that specific airframe type, or just too damn old/slow/small to do some of the flying you guys do. An RJ would only fit on maybe 5 of our routes and actually turn a profit. I'm not debating ya, just gettin that out there. I've decided to stay out of this FI debate for a bit.

If PT switches up the A/C types, he'd have one hell of a mess on his hands. A saab would have to make 2 stops between FLL and say Indy. An RJ from CHO to IAD wouldn't make a dime if it was more full than a public bus in India. And all of that happens before both pilot groups go nuts

 

[suupah]

Second, that would depend upon if ALPA decides to and successfully argues that the 9E contract requires integration.

Doesn't sound likely.

The uncertainty mixed with complete distrust of managements motives sucks for you guys. and us.

 

[TurboAWD]

Potential is everywhere. Most of our planes can't fly your routes.

Your current planes. So, Phil says, "Colgan pilots will fly the CRJ900 aircraft cheaper than PNCL pilots, so they get the new CR900 aircraft we are going to be flying for DELTA airlines)". And then, a few years later, he says "PNCL pilots will fly the EMB190 airplane cheaper than Colgan pilots, so they get the new aircraft for Continental airlines". Then we both lose. And so do pilots at other airlines (including "The Majors").

Turbo
Edited to plain english for pilots that don't like algebra

 

[Smarta$$]

Sorry, but that's not the plan at all. Until they decide NOT to operate the two airlines separately then the SL's will be separate as well. And as I understand it PAI will fly any new jets and CA will fly any and all turboprops.

Why, because uncle phil and uncle mike says it wil be that way? There is nothing to make them keep their word. It is a sales pitch until they change their mind.

 

[bertengineer]

I guess you cannot safely put a CRJ down in AOO or JST. If they would make the runway longer...maybe! We go into Panama City which is just shy of 6K. The real market is out of SCE ( University Park)

 

[dingo222]

THats x,y,z is more confusing that college algebra after a few bong hits. I gotcha though.

 

[Smarta$$]

Potential is everywhere. Most of our planes can't fly your routes. They are either under contract for EAS for that specific airframe type, or just too dang old/slow/small to do some of the flying you guys do. An RJ would only fit on maybe 5 of our routes and actually turn a profit. I'm not debating ya, just gettin that out there. I've decided to stay out of this FI debate for a bit.

If PT switches up the A/C types, he'd have one hell of a mess on his hands. A saab would have to make 2 stops between FLL and say Indy. An RJ from CHO to IAD wouldn't make a dime if it was more full than a public bus in India. And all of that happens before both pilot groups go nuts

There is nothing contractual saying that Colgan can not start a jet program in the future or even tomorrow. Just because uncle phil and uncle mike say they won't don't make it so.

 

[suupah]

There is nothing contractual saying that Colgan can not start a jet program in the future or even tomorrow. Just because uncle phil and uncle mike say they won't don't make it so.

Well, it would make SOOOOOO much more sense for you guys to get jets since you are set up for it already. Especially if it is rj7's. your pilots already have the type ratings. plus i am sure insurance would be really danged high for us since almost no one here has any real time in turbo jets.

PCL bought colgan to get a piece of that 70 seat tprop market that no one seems to be aggressively going after because of our relationships with some of the big players that want them. We have some infrastructure in place, the relationships are already there that would make it cheaper.

RJ's would be so much cheaper on your side of the house. props on our side.