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beechcowboy said:
Correction, if your almighty goal in life is AIRTRAN, North American, Citation Shares, then the 1900 PIC will be of future assistance. BUT realistically, I have talked to the head recruiters at America West, Southwest, Continental, etc. and asked them all the very same question... If I were to walk my resume in your door a year from now, and an RJ capt. were to walk his in the door at the same time, who would be the most attractive to you. ANSWER: RJ WHY you ask???

Too many reasons to list. If you know somebody, it might be a little different. Let's just be really honest with ourselves. Continental is starting to hire a little, if they get 1000 apps for their positions, and only need to fill 500 positions, AND 200 of those apps are B1900 pilots w/ 1000 or more PIC, AND all other apps are jet PICs, how many B1900 guys do you honestly think are getting hired? .
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I think that you would be suprised how many of those 1900 guys would get jobs. Those guys actually know how to FLY an airplane.
 
T-REX said:
umm...yeah a King Air.
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Don't be a tool! No auto-anything, try that 8-legs in the NE in winter, then talk trash. No, I shouldn't have said tool, just a FOOL!!! And yes, the people that hire know that!
 
beechcowboy said:
Correction, if your almighty goal in life is AIRTRAN, North American, Citation Shares, then the 1900 PIC will be of future assistance. BUT realistically, I have talked to the head recruiters at America West, Southwest, Continental, etc. and asked them all the very same question... If I were to walk my resume in your door a year from now, and an RJ capt. were to walk his in the door at the same time, who would be the most attractive to you. ANSWER: RJ WHY you ask???

Too many reasons to list. If you know somebody, it might be a little different. Let's just be really honest with ourselves. Continental is starting to hire a little, if they get 1000 apps for their positions, and only need to fill 500 positions, AND 200 of those apps are B1900 pilots w/ 1000 or more PIC, AND all other apps are jet PICs, how many B1900 guys do you honestly think are getting hired? Be honest and remember, it is post 9/11. That being said, congrats to those of you who have stepped to the next level. Personally, I don't wish to go to Airtran, but if it was your goal to go there, then the means has justified the end, and you have reason to be happy.

All other things being equal, I've gotta go change my diaper and get my pacifier. C'mon now guys, disgruntled and disappointed in the way myself and fellow crews are treated does not make me a baby, as you previously mentioned. AND, you are right, grass ain't always greener, especially at Eagle, but faded green is better than brown. Its all in what you are looking for, one person's trash is another's treasure.
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No, the almighty goal was not AirTran, I wanted Delta, United, American, in that order. But you know what, at some day you've got to realize what is the best option for you!

If you think you're too good for AirTran, fine, just don't portray that attitude when you end up interviewing w/ them. Of course you could do the 7-8000$ type on the 73 and hope your interview in a couple of years w/SWA goes well. Trust me that is no guarantee, I know 3 people from the military that have done that, and didn't fare well in the interview.

Wake up and smell the roses (oh, the ones at my new house thanks to my AirTran pay smell great right now), If you think you're going to one of the majors (oh, and I believe we are one now), I hope you're right. I know the cyclical pattern that the industry has gone through for many years, unfortunately, 9/11 altered the cycle, somewhat. If you have the patience to hold out for the legacy carriers, best of luck. They may start hiring, but my bet is they all will be furloughees. I did the pain of CJC for 4 years, and you know what? I've already, in 10 months, got 300 people below me here. Most likely, in 2 years I'm going to be making six figures -- explain to me what is wrong here?
 
You RJ boys that try to put the prop guys down are the biggest Dorks ... you'd think after sophmore or junior year in high school you'd realize that putting others down to make yourself feel better shows just how retarted you are ... You know what I do when I see a CapeAir guy in his 402 around, I go up to them and say hi and give them some respect ... All of you sitting in your RJs thinking you're bigshots ain't kiddin nobody .... you're just a pawn in the big game like the rest of us, except you go around thinking you're all high and mighty because you fly a jet ... big f'ing deal, so what, what the h3ll makes you feel so mighty about yourselves ? Is it the fact that you can be a big boy airline pilot pushing buttons ..... or that you have a coffee maker in the plane ? You know what I respect a whole lot more .... those guys in their 402's hand flying 8-10 approaches down to mins all day between Hyannis and Boston ... that's something to be respected ... not your f'ing FMS or PFDs or GPUs ...

in summary, to all those RJ boys that think you're better than us, wake up and realize that you're making fools of yourselves ... retards !
 
TheBigH said:
You RJ boys that try to put the prop guys down are the biggest Dorks ... you'd think after sophmore or junior year in high school you'd realize that putting others down to make yourself feel better shows just how retarted you are ... You know what I do when I see a CapeAir guy in his 402 around, I go up to them and say hi and give them some respect ... All of you sitting in your RJs thinking you're bigshots ain't kiddin nobody .... you're just a pawn in the big game like the rest of us, except you go around thinking you're all high and mighty because you fly a jet ... big f'ing deal, so what, what the h3ll makes you feel so mighty about yourselves ? Is it the fact that you can be a big boy airline pilot pushing buttons ..... or that you have a coffee maker in the plane ? You know what I respect a whole lot more .... those guys in their 402's hand flying 8-10 approaches down to mins all day between Hyannis and Boston ... that's something to be respected ... not your f'ing FMS or PFDs or GPUs ...

in summary, to all those RJ boys that think you're better than us, wake up and realize that you're making fools of yourselves ... retards !
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What he said.
 
in summary, to all those RJ boys that think you're better than us, wake up and realize that you're making fools of yourselves ... retards !
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Big H

What you say is correct, but other than T-Rex (who doesn't appear to be an RJ driver), who (RJ drivers) thinks they are better than you (t-prop drivers)?
 
Bottom line, it's all about the Benjamins -- where you can make 'em, where you can make more of 'em, and hopefully enjoy the ride.
 
Chill out! I fly a turboprop too..I just want these guys to realize that getting a good job with 1000 turboprop is possible, but in no way a guarantee. RJs will outnumber mainline jets someday and although the T-Prop guys may have better stick and rudder skills, the guys with the FMS, EFIS, Jet Experience will probably get the job.
 
T-REX said:
Chill out! I fly a turboprop too..I just want these guys to realize that getting a good job with 1000 turboprop is possible, but in no way a guarantee. RJs will outnumber mainline jets someday and although the T-Prop guys may have better stick and rudder skills, the guys with the FMS, EFIS, Jet Experience will probably get the job.
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My point exactly! And folks, you need not take things so personally. I was not cutting on AirTran in an earlier post. In fact, if you read the print, I basically say good for you. If, given the state of the industry, you have chosen AirTran as your carrier, then the means has justified the end, and after 4 years a CJC, you deserve to go where you want to go. Obviously, we all would have liked to be at one of the legacy majors, it just ain't happening. I, PERSONALLY, and I restate the point, PERSONALLY, do not want to fly for AirTran. If they were the only one's bangin' down my door, I might budge; but my life style dictates where I would like to go, be based, etc. Frankly, one or two other regionals fit that mold better than does AirTran. So chill out, don't take things so personally, be glad you've moved on, and we'll see you out on the battlefield.
 
Burning twice the gas to get there 7 minutes faster at current prices, watch out for the return of the large turbo prop.
 
jetdok said:
Have a interview with Colgan coming up. Anyone have any info on how the interview goes? Where are new hires placed?
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Jet, to answer your questions without the frills, as I said earlier, check out www.aviationinterviews.com for the scoop on the interviews. As for placement after training, we're going all over the place for the first few months (ALB, DCA, CWE, ROC, BUF, IAH off the top of my head), but as the growth in TX kicks in, people from the Northeast will move to TX, as well as new-hires. That makes for a very open field out here... you can expect to get anywhere you want except Bar Harbor (don't listen to anyone else on here... it's gorgeous up there... I'd take it if I got it) or Presque Isle (very senior base... don't ask, it's a mystery). Other than that, it's open to FOs, and I'm sure that's what you're interviewing for.

Hope that helps.

Shy
 
ShyFlyGuy said:
... you can expect to get anywhere you want except Bar Harbor (don't listen to anyone else on here... it's gorgeous up there... I'd take it if I got it)
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LMAO ....... Shy congrats on making it through training but somebody has lied to you about BHB ... It is very pretty up there in the summer, but you'll spend half your paycheck on rent, won't have cell phone reception and your social life will consist mostly of Bingo, watching scenery, and wishing you didn't have to spend most of your money on rent so you could afford the lobster ....

I've yet to meet any FO that was glad they got BHB .....
 
Presque Isle (very senior base... don't ask, it's a mystery
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Come on Shy... You've obviously never been to PQI. Sure, the winter is harsh and the nights are long... BUT. What other base can you go to where the station has a cook out almost daily? You come back from your trip and find burgers, hot dogs, chips, salads... Where else can you go in the Colgan system where you ONLY do 2 roundtrips daily?? Where else can you go and stay at a hotel with maid service (usually) for under 200 bucks a month. Where else can you go where the hotel resteraunt gives you a 50% discount?

I had more fun in PQI than I had anywhere else... and I was at MANY bases.
 
I got to do a couple of runs to PQI in the Beech, man what a milk run that is .... Take off 4L from BOS, fly runway heading direct PQI when able .... hour and a half later you line up with the runway, land, park the plane and enjoy your burgers ... doesn't get much better than that ...
 
chperplt said:
Nope.... Doesn't get much better than that! (For Colgan standards that it)
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Yea Colgan Mainline has it good .... we Beech folk still have to earn our pay ....
 
Hello,
I think that no matter what you fly there is always going to be a certain amount of rivalry. Kind of like the type of friendly banter between military fixed-wing jockies and rotorheads. However, I am quite happy flying the Beech and haven't really cuaght a case of "jet fever" to go fly an RJ. I'd like to perhaps fly for Comair, but thats a matter of Comair being an excellent company to work for.
Onto the point of the thread...Colgan bases. I can only speak for my personal situation, and in convserations with others. If you want the block time go to SYR or LEB. If you want a better schedule, BKW or SHD would be my choice. I don't know anything about HYA or the other bases, but I have heard that HPN isn't all that bad and they give you $300.00 towards a crashpad. Westchester county has one of the highest cost of living in the US. Not great on F/O pay, but it's close to NYC if thats a plus?
Not heard too much about the situation in IAH, but it went senior vice junior for manning and I think that this came as a surprise to both managment and the pilot group. Many of the SAAB bases are in the "great white north" BUF, PQI and ALB. Thats not necessarily a negative and has it's plus sides as some of the guys have mentioned. ORF is a senior base, and HYA is a TDY base beginning 01 May. Most of the people that do stay long enough to transition to the SAAB (About 2.5 years currently) seem to be happy for the time being. I don't know how many doors it will open, but most of the "escapees" to AT, JB, etc... flew the Swedish love machine.
Rumor control has it that SAAB will be paying for anything that needs to be done to the SAAB 2000 to bring them up to US FAR standards. CJC will be making a decision shortly and it's a possibility that Colgan may have upwards of 15-20 of them in the future. Personally, I think that the BE-1900 is on it's way out eventually (even though we are getting 4 more "D" with 2 on the property currently). Recent budgetary decisons for FY2006 may end the EAS susidy program. Many of the communities cannot make-up the shortfall in funds to keep their airline service. So, I can see a curtailment of 19-seat operations at many airports, not just ones in Colgan's system.
Some of you folks are concerned about training and I can honestly say that Colgan's training was excellent on the Beech. We had an excellent instructor for ground school and I had no complaints about any of my sim instructors and I had 5 different instructors. Everyone in my class made it through with no problems and all are either on the line or flying for another regional.
Maintenance...Just like I learned in the military. Be very thorough in your preflight duties and when their is a doubt, double-check. I think that they do a good job, but the biggest problem I see is that they just don't see the airplanes enough. Outbasing is a problem given the size of the operation now. Will it change? I haven't a clue. We do carry MEL's, but I've never felt unsafe in an airplane. If I did, I'd say something. Many of you forget that maintenance at the majors has also killed people...American in ORD being a classic case. I've been around long enough in civil/military aviation to know shoody maintenance. It's not the case here. Room for improvement obviously, but where else is that not the case?

Regards,

ex-Navy rotorhead

"Winds at Bluefiled are 320 at 15 gusting to 25...braking action reported poor by a pick-up truck"...Thats what we live for!
 
Kaman said:
Hello,
I think that no matter what you fly there is always going to be a certain amount of rivalry.
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What rivalry? You Southern Beech boys got a long way to go before you can compete with us Northeastern warriors ...

I know what you mean tho bro .... I've passed on a couple of RJ "opportunities" ... What's up with your lines down south, they're all getting shrunk like those heads in the Amazon ?
 
Yeah Man...
I heard that SHD was going to 2 lines per seat, and they are only blocking about 35-40 hours per month doing the SHD-IAD run. Wouldn't want to do that all summer crossing the Blue Ridge everyday getting your filling knocked out. Worst turbulence I've ever had was up near Luray...Emptied the seat pockets, knocked my headset off and my hands came off the yoke!
I've not heard anything about Columbus yet officially, but I've heard that we'll be dropping it and getting another IAD turn about the same time of day. All and all pretty good schedules in the "deep south".

Regards,

ex-Navy Rotorhead

"Hey, is that a bunch of turkeys crossing the runway?"
 
Hello,
Yes, Bluefield W.V. We were landing there last week and on short-final we saw about a half-dozen or so crossing the runway just past the numbers. Landed over them, but they hardly even flinched. They are pretty used to us, but they have an annoying habit of congregating close to the runway. Beckely is about the same...Deer, Fox, Skunks, Coyote...Seen them all here and there the past 8 months I've been based there. Bluefield is unique in it's own way, but after awhile you adjust to the crappy turn-on the LOC by Indy center, Lighting systems that sometimes work and sometimes don't, Sketchy at best braking action reports, No Approach lights and you get quite proficent at missed approaches and holding...Actually, I like it! But I used to jump out of perfectly good helicopters into the middle of the ocean too, so I wouldn't go by what I say :-)

Regards,

ex-Navy rotorhead
 
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I finally saw the Saab with the old Colgan livery today at Dulles. I was told to give way to the saab, and I responed that I would give way to Captain America. Within minutes, the ground controller would only call it Captain America. Sorry Chper, Super Dave was too archane.

There are several things I miss about Colgan. Mostly, its the people. I loved being based in BHB. I just hated the commute from MCO every week. Also, I'm proud to say that I carried more ice than people in two winters up there. That said, I will never look back. I like my FMS and auto pilot too.
 
chperplt said:
Come on Shy... You've obviously never been to PQI. Sure, the winter is harsh and the nights are long... BUT. What other base can you go to where the station has a cook out almost daily? You come back from your trip and find burgers, hot dogs, chips, salads... Where else can you go in the Colgan system where you ONLY do 2 roundtrips daily?? Where else can you go and stay at a hotel with maid service (usually) for under 200 bucks a month. Where else can you go where the hotel resteraunt gives you a 50% discount?

I had more fun in PQI than I had anywhere else... and I was at MANY bases.
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This place you speak of... tell me more. I have never heard such things from the know-nothings online. I guess the storytellers of Colgan assumed that it was a black-hole where pilots go and never return. On April 1, a faxed sheet with assignment bases turned up in class, pitting several folks in class in PQI. One threatened to quit, and one who got Hyannis (a cool and quiet F-16/Herc pilot who sat against the wall in the back) who expected to commute from SFO exclaimed, "HOW THE F--- AM I SUPPOSED TO GET TO HYANNNIS!?"

Seriously, I am pleased to hear about PQI, although I wish I might have known it sooner. I could have used that getaway about a year ago when I just needed to escape from my crumbling world. Perhaps I'll get an opportunity to get out there once. I'm still pulling for the summer assignment in Hyannis.

Shy
 
I'm still pulling for the summer assignment in Hyannis.
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Hyannis in the summer is a blast as well! Enjoy the pizza/beer specials at Scotty's Pizza across the street from the Radisson. If you like Sushi, there is a great Sushi place on Main St. Monday's are generally 1/2 price Sushi nights. Lots of great fun in HYA during the summer!

If you ever get to PQI, tell them the Las Vegas boy says hello!
 

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