...as it should have been.I would put money on us all trainning to the pusher now.
You backseat drivers sure are quick to judge when you weren't there. Why don't you wait until you crucify the crew and throw them under the rug? How about we fight for things like industry-wide sweep changes of stall recovery training, requiring stall training with pusher, and addressing fatigue and rest issues?
That youtube link would not work for me. Here is another link.
I have watched this several times. All I can say is 'Holy crap!' He definitely did not have the airspeed in his scan. He really screwed to pooch on the stall recovery (pull instead of lower/hold and power out). The real 'WTF!' here is the FO raising the flaps on her own in the middle of this mess. I think she put the final nail in the coffin for them.
I would put money on us all trainning to the pusher now.
...as it should have been.
The fairy tale stall profiles have you set up and enter a stall which sometimes takes a 30-60+ seconds to set up, is unrealistic. Our airline has now done away with stall profiles, and from what I hear, in the sim, we'll get like a turn from base to final with flaps out, spoilers out, while making the turn, in an at-least-somewhat-realistic situation in which you could get a shaker while you look out for the runway. (apparently something similar happened to Colgan at BTV). But they recovered, so it's all good.
This Flight 3407 accident should cause a overhaul of stall profiles.
but the stall recovery profile for my plane is max thrust then flaps to 9 then pos rate (airspeed inc in level flight) gear up then gain more speed and flaps to 0.
How about we fight for things like industry-wide sweep changes of stall recovery training, requiring stall training with pusher, and addressing fatigue and rest issues?
The crew in BTV recovered just fine so it doesnt quite seem like a training issue to me.
You can train all you want but you won't know how someone will react in a real emergency until they are...well...in a real emergency.
I have never heard of retracting the flaps during a stall recovery. What kind of plane are you talking about? When you retract the flaps, you effectively increase the wing's angle of attack. This of course is not desirable in a stall recovery. It kinda goes along the same lines as a windshear recovery. Max thrust and don't touch the configuration until you are clear of it.