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It looks like the FO saw the speed rapidly decreasing but didn't say anything. Although about the second she said "Uhhh" the shaker was going off.
 
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Full power, no applicable right rudder. Plane yaws/rolls left. Full right rudder applied with right aileron. Plane snaps right and rolls semi-inverted. FO without command from the Pilot flying in a stall retracts flaps. CA may have gotten them into a bad situation. FO surely kept them there.

Before the plane rolled to the right and semi-inverted their altitude was ABOVE the intercept altitude.
 
You backseat drivers sure are quick to judge when you weren't there. Why don't you wait until you crucify the crew and throw them under the rug? How about we fight for things like industry-wide sweep changes of stall recovery training, requiring stall training with pusher, and addressing fatigue and rest issues?
 
That youtube link would not work for me. Here is another link.

http://www.buffalonews.com/static/multimedia/Flight3407/animation.html

I have watched this several times. All I can say is 'Holy crap!' He definitely did not have the airspeed in his scan. He really screwed to pooch on the stall recovery (pull instead of lower/hold and power out). The real 'WTF!' here is the FO raising the flaps on her own in the middle of this mess. I think she put the final nail in the coffin for them.

I would put money on us all trainning to the pusher now.
 
I would put money on us all trainning to the pusher now.
...as it should have been.

The fairy tale stall profiles have you set up and enter a stall which sometimes takes a 30-60+ seconds to set up, is unrealistic. Our airline has now done away with stall profiles, and from what I hear, in the sim, we'll get like a turn from base to final with flaps out, spoilers out, while making the turn, in an at-least-somewhat-realistic situation in which you could get a shaker while you look out for the runway. (apparently something similar happened to Colgan at BTV). But they recovered, so it's all good.

This Flight 3407 accident should cause a overhaul of stall profiles.
 
The fairy tale stall profiles have you set up and enter a stall which sometimes takes a 30-60+ seconds to set up, is unrealistic.

This Flight 3407 accident should cause a overhaul of stall profiles.

All the training in the world doesn't prevent inattention.
 

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