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[Flyingdutchman]

Id rather be driving a US car, bu if it has to be a German car, I’ll take a Z4

The thing is, all that matters (my 2 cents) is the quality of time (2000 hours C172 skydiving or 800 hours citation part 135..)

Would your boss rather be flying with a 45 y/old 4000 hour pilot (2000 hours CFI + 1000 hours skydiving), or a 27 y/old 2000 hour pilot (900 hours King Air + 600 hours Citation)..


Have a great day

 

[El Cid '95]

A close friend of mine was a tanker captain @ 750 hours. According to all of the time flamers in here, that shouldn't be. Remember that the airplane is only military on the ground and just another hunk of metal taking up space in the sky. Can the military duplicate everything on the ground in a sim? No, I don't think so and neither can we. So I guess the military should make their pilots shoot the pattern for a thousand hours in a T-41 before stepping them up to a tweet?


Bull. There are no tanker aircraft commanders with 750 hours. They are not even considered experienced copilots (first officers) unitl they hit 800. Oh yeah, the min requirement to upgrade is 1000. Some folks get waivers if they are slightly below, but flying a heavy jet with 750 hours as the PIC is unbelievable.

 

[Gearmunky]

As far as your 784 hour log book, I cant help but notice you have not passed a type ride. That alone tells me something.... Tells me you are more than likely serving the drinks in the back...or you cant pass a type ride... which would prove our point. Cheers

Look here Chiefy, I can't help the fact that where I am in my career offends you. Since you obviously can read numbers better than letters, I'll do my best to spell this out for you.

19th letter of the alphabet = S
09th letter of the alphabet = I
03rd letter of the alphabet = C

03rd letter of the alphabet = C
08th letter of the alphabet = H
05th letter of the alphabet = E
03rd letter of the alphabet = C
11th letter of the alphabet = K

So don't knock me for not being typed, I wasn't offered the ride. I'll get it on my next recurrent.

As for Otter, your words make perfect sense. Although under no circumstances will I ever claim to represent "true aviation excellence," I have just had the fortunate chance to be mentored (and given a chance) by some of the best in the business, who are in person, like you and GV flyer seem to be in words. Reserved and humble and don't feel the need to flaunt their experience.

Spoken like a true Captain who can see things both ways, your comments are respectable.

The people who think they have it flaunt everything they have; while the people who really have it, you'd never know it.

 

[Gearmunky]

Bull. There are no tanker aircraft commanders with 750 hours. They are not even considered experienced copilots (first officers) unitl they hit 800. Oh yeah, the min requirement to upgrade is 1000. Some folks get waivers if they are slightly below, but flying a heavy jet with 750 hours as the PIC is unbelievable.

Well he was an Academy grad (not sure if that matters) and this was a long time ago. That's what he told me, when I was telling him of this whole argument. I couldn't get in the military(eyes) so I have to go by the guys I work with who were all in at some point or another.

Maybe things have changed you would no better than I would, but like I said this was a long time ago.

 

[400A]

Look here Chiefy, I can't help the fact that where I am in my career offends you. Since you obviously can read numbers better than letters, I'll do my best to spell this out for you.

19th letter of the alphabet = S
09th letter of the alphabet = I
03rd letter of the alphabet = C

03rd letter of the alphabet = C
08th letter of the alphabet = H
05th letter of the alphabet = E
03rd letter of the alphabet = C
11th letter of the alphabet = K

So don't knock me for not being typed, I wasn't offered the ride. I'll get it on my next recurrent.


SIC ONLY CHECK = Not Capeable of PIC Check. I type all of my pilots first time through, If they cant pass it, they dont need to be in it.. Glad to see you know your alphabet though!!! Just as I thought. Like the others said, I hope nothing happens to your captain.

 

[Gearmunky]

SIC ONLY CHECK = Not Capeable of PIC Check. I type all of my pilots first time through, If they cant pass it, they dont need to be in it.. Glad to see you know your alphabet though!!! Just as I thought. Like the others said, I hope nothing happens to your captain.

I am fully capable of a PIC check, I just wasn't offered it. What I am supposed to do? Say, No sir I don't want to fly that without a PIC check?

I think this proves that your ego is more than your common sense. I sure hope nothing happens to your co-pilot.

Now, I'm through with this tit-for-tat bullsh!t, so I think you should take your own advice and sit down, shut up, and learn that your 5000 hours and chief pilot position doesn't make you the voice of the industry and your point of view isn't shared by all.

As for me, I'm off to enjoy a cold bottle of Moosehead, a Porterhouse, and some Lobstah with my girlfriend.

All the best,

Munky

 

[400A]

Munky

You seem to be the only one here on an ego trip. not me.

You are also the only one that keeps bringing my qualifications up. I have news for you Richard Cranium, 5000 hours is not alot of time, but someone did have the confidence in me to make me chief pilot. (which you seem so threatened by) You brought that up, not me. Get over yourself and the fact that you are some sort of gift to aviation because you CLAIM to be flying a Gulfstream. (which you keep reminding us over, and over, and over)

By the way, there had to be a reason your CP did not offer you a PIC check.

And as far as your reference to my skills, while I am no better than anyone else on this board, I do pass 2 PIC checks per year in the aircraft, which you have not done.

Also, being Chief Pilot does not in any way imply superior airmanship. What it does mean is that I am responsible for people and their actions. With an ego and attitude like yours, I am glad I am not responsible for you.

Now, I to am done here. I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed individual.

400A

 

[mobie]

PIC Check & Type

I am fully capable of a PIC check, I just wasn't offered it. What I am supposed to do? Say, No sir I don't want to fly that without a PIC check

Munky

Munky,

There is a big difference in getting the PIC ride&type and really going out and doing it. I know of a great corp. dept. that has a large Gulfstream fleet that only hires high time pilots that does not let them fly pic for 4 to 6 months after their type ride, why? they need that extra time to learn how to do it the way the dept. ops.

There is much more to flying 91 and 135 than doing steep turns on a check ride, you can teach a check ride to anyone, but you can not teach experence and care and feeding of a flight dept.

Most of my flying has been 121, but I have been luckey enough to have flown 91 at the same time; it is very different and other skills must be learned.

By the way when you are flying that G remember that most States (countries) have a requirement that both pilots are typed and have a 1st. class med.

Get your ATP written passed and when you have the time get your type, A com. type is not going to mean much.

Enjoy your dinner.

Mobie

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I am fully capable of a PIC check, I just wasn't offered it. What I am supposed to do? Say, No sir I don't want to fly that without a PIC check?

I think this proves that your ego is more than your common sense. I sure hope nothing happens to your co-pilot.

Now, I'm through with this tit-for-tat bullsh!t, so I think you should take your own advice and sit down, shut up, and learn that your 5000 hours and chief pilot position doesn't make you the voice of the industry and your point of view isn't shared by all.

As for me, I'm off to enjoy a cold bottle of Moosehead, a Porterhouse, and some Lobstah with my girlfriend.

All the best,

Munky

I still put my bucks on the fact that this guy will, unfortunatly, kill himself in that Navajo....


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[Flyingdutchman]

6000 hours C172 - pattern work - won't get him killed.. Right?

 

[400A]

no body said that

6000 hours C172 - pattern work - won't get him killed.. Right?

He is not qualified to shotgun the G-string either,, as has ended up being the point of this thread, you need to work your way up.

For Example: My flight time and position are posted as Munky so often refers to, however, other than Bahamas, Mexico and Canada (which are easy) I have no international experience. Before I blasted out for China or Russia, I would want G200, 2000Flyer, GVflyer, Mobie or someone with that experience to go along the first time or two to keep me from causing an international incident.

Much of experience is knowing when to say no, or call in the support troops.

It is very simple, C-172 to Gulfstream is UNSAFE!!!

Believe me, If my boss bought a Gulfstream tomorrow, their would be a veteran G-driver riding with me for a while. When he thought I was ready, then I would take it myself.

 

[Bumz_Rush]

what a load of BBBBBBBBCKS

I opened this thread to read about CC and its hiring and perhaps employment practices, instead I found a total bitching session, that was so boring.
If there is any one out there who has any input to continue this tread about CC, and its potental as a good employer, for lboth ow hours and high houred crew then please feel free to input.....until then...good

 

[Flyingdutchman]

400A,

I agree.

 

[GVFlyer]

Before applying at Coke, you might want to look at their recent history. Aviation Director fired. Chief Pilot forced into retirement. Ask why the last Captain was dismissed and why they would retain one of their demographic hires after she had been grounded three times for safety and proficiency deficiencies. There are good people at Coke, but it appears that they are suffering under a leadership that has priorities other than aviation professionalism and safety.

GV

 

[bafanguy]

Ask why the last Captain was dismissed and why they would retain one of their demographic hires after she had been grounded three times for safety and proficiency deficiencies.

GV

So, a hoop skirt with a poodle on it, and a little Revlon, and I'm in ?? I'm in the car to Wal-Mart !! You have to promise not to laugh, though...or ask me out.

.....OK, I'm already getting dirty looks from Dream Date. How about if I just apologize for my boorish nature rather than deleting the post ?