CNN reporting a Lear Jet down at Chicago Executive, Wheeling?

[Gearmonkey]

I hate that ILS-16 circle to Rwy 34, cancel IFR before the circle. Tight turn at low altitude. Sucks.


"Eternal rest grant unto them O Lord and let perpetual light shine upon them."

I don't know what's worse, that or the stupid departure off of 16.

 

[nismo611]

just did this ILS to circle a few weeks ago in the middle of night in the snow it does suck any time any conditions. The departure blows too.

 

[Limeyflyer]

I used to fly out of KPTK and see the Royal guys all the time; thoughts and prayers to friends, families, and coworkers

 

[Hook 'Em Horns]

Any circle at minimums will require tight turns at low speed and altitude. Why is PWK any different?

As for the departure, I've done it many times in Lear 35 and 60 aircraft. Just like departing from any other Class D, keep the speed below 200 and turn with 30 degrees of bank. I don't mean to be obnoxious, but it isn't difficult.

I expect alarmist reactions from the media, but from pilots? Come on, man. Leave the, "Why are pilots required to make such difficult maneuvers?" nonsense to the media.

 

[rumrnr78]

At my last corporate job we were not allowed to go to KPWK. Not sure why, since I went in there a bunch flying fractional. RIP to the crew. Please post intials when possible my primary instructor was working there.

 

[RedGuy]

I noticed Royal launched 3 more revenue trips out of PTK after the crash...small company like should shut down ops and give people time

makes me shake my head...RIP

Why should we shut down? The Captain was a good friend of mine, but I'm ready to go to work. This is a fact of life in this industry. In the 13 years I've been in it I've lost half a dozen friends, just suck it up, learn from their mistakes and keep on going.

 

[filejw]

Sorry to hear of your loss. Ref shut down, most people want to keep moving in situation like this. Sitting around really doesn't help.

 

[A1FlyBoy]

Reports today are that the aircraft had problems in flight last Thursday and had to be turn back out of Michigan last week?

 

[RedGuy]

Not to be a jerk, but you guys aren't going to solve the crash, just leave it alone and send you condolances.

 

[satpak77]

(walking the fine line between speculation and "discussion".....)

I am of the opinion that for a perfectly operating airplane to crash as it was in the landing phases, this accident has something to do with configuration changes, airspeed, ice, or similar.

The graphic on the Chicago newspaper site,

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/PLANE-CRASH2.gif

seems to show the accident site almost directly on final to the runway. I wonder if in the circle to land, they didn't try to tighten it up and "make" the final

again, walking that fine line.....

RIP guys

 

[Amish RakeFight]

seems to show the accident site almost directly on final to the runway. I wonder if in the circle to land, they didn't try to tighten it up and "make" the final

again, walking that fine line.....

RIP guys

Sadly, I knew a couple of guys who bought it in a Lear doing the same thing.

 

[OzBushWhacker]

I thought they were cleared to land off a visual??

 

[satpak77]

I thought they were cleared to land off a visual??

I don't know, but my "raised eyebrow" comes from the crash site almost directly on final, and a mile or two from the airport, in other words, landing phase.

 

[StaySeated]

I don't know, but my "raised eyebrow" comes from the crash site almost directly on final, and a mile or two from the airport, in other words, landing phase.

Due to the proximity to KORD, when the winds are out of the north the standard operation at KPWK is to shoot the approach to 16, then cancel IFR and enter left traffic to 34. The crash site is directly lined up with the 34 final, and the aircraft came straight down. Text book base-to-final stall accident at first glance.

 

[satpak77]

newspaper claims crash site was "about a mile" from the airport. FYI

 

[BGSkyGuy]

Due to the proximity to KORD, when the winds are out of the north the standard operation at KPWK is to shoot the approach to 16, then cancel IFR and enter left traffic to 34. The crash site is directly lined up with the 34 final, and the aircraft came straight down. Text book base-to-final stall accident at first glance.

Pure speculation but I agree. A little ice on the airframe and the chances increase. My condolences to families and friends. Godspeed.

 

[Mickey]

My friend saw it pull up and bank hard before it went out of sight over the trees.

 

[nightrider]

I had a few friends that worked there, anyone know the names pm me.

 

[DUATS]

Any circle at minimums will require tight turns at low speed and altitude. Why is PWK any different?
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1. Because you have to cancel IFR before the circle manuever.

2. Because you need to stay outside the ORD airspace.

 

[Cat3C]

I know we are splitting hairs here but you do not have to cancel IFR to circle. If you do stay IFR (its really ********************ty and the wind is blowing out of the north strong) then you need to let everybody know in advance (prior to going to tower). If the weather is decent then they definitely want you to cancel - no questions about it.

It sucks but lots of other circles suck as well. I will also offer this - there is a bunch of housing on the north and south side of the airport and how/why it was missed is something to mention in prayers. Somethings just cannot be explained.

Forgive me if I am inaccurate but I was under the impression that the weather was pretty good. They probably did pick up a bunch of ice coming over the lake at ORD restricitions for north side satellite airports. They usually have you at 6000 or so at one of the last fixes and then bring you down to 3000 then 2400 for the approach.

In the end it doesn't matter a rats ass because the crew and the aircraft are gone and friends and family have huge holes in their hearts.