CNBC reports US Air / United in merger talks

[BeCareful!]

The problem with fences, particularly long fences which would be required in this instance with a DOH list, is that you create two pilot groups within one list.

Oh. Really? That's a real problem for you? Hmmmm. Seems like, oh, I dunno, maybe there could be much bigger problems. Think, think, think....when has a no-fence situation caused an even bigger problem. Hmmm.

I think the average FI.com reader can read between your lines and see why you'd think of any little reason not to embrace fences.

Two pilot groups constantly squabbling over where the fence should be, suspicious of each others motives, IOW a divided group.

Oh my god, that's right! Then there's that constant squabbling over where the fence should be. Yeah, gosh, that squabbling sounds simply horrid. Gee, glad you brought this up. Call Nicolau! Get him in here to set up the UAL guys ASAP. They'll thank you, for sure.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The day you get your Commercial Multi rating.

However, the seniority number is only unfrozen by employment with a union carrier.

 

[BeCareful!]

If I insert my relative seniority into the USAir nic award I go into the list at a point where I am junior to AWA guys with 6 years less longevity who are for the most part younger than me. NO thanks.

What's the problem? West guys are going to be real respectful and nice to you, like the one guy here who said a while back that he was practicing his Nicolau callout "Gear up, Grandpa!"

Good luck trying to explain to an AWA pilot that he doesn't belong ahead of you on the combined list. They fly people out of PHX you know!! That's where all the real action is, in case you hadn't noticed, and expect to carry those stellar career expectations with them across both oceans in the left seat of your 777's and our 330's.

 

[bizicmo]

The day you get your Commercial Multi rating.

What's stopping someone from getting there multi commercial at 18 years old, then leave flying and doing something else for 30 years, then coming back as a major captain at age 48 and with very little flight time.

 

[eaglesview]

What's the problem? West guys are going to be real respectful and nice to you, like the one guy here who said a while back that he was practicing his Nicolau callout "Gear up, Grandpa!"

Good luck trying to explain to an AWA pilot that he doesn't belong ahead of you on the combined list. They fly people out of PHX you know!! That's where all the real action is, in case you hadn't noticed, and expect to carry those stellar career expectations with them across both oceans in the left seat of your 777's and our 330's.

You got to do better than that to get to me. I really don't get bothered by childish dribble. PS you forgot abot the 747's

 

[FDJ2]

Oh. Really? That's a real problem for you? Hmmmm. Seems like, oh, I dunno, maybe there could be much bigger problems. Think, think, think....when has a no-fence situation caused an even bigger problem. Hmmm.

I think the average FI.com reader can read between your lines and see why you'd think of any little reason not to embrace fences.



Oh my god, that's right! Then there's that constant squabbling over where the fence should be. Yeah, gosh, that squabbling sounds simply horrid. Gee, glad you brought this up. Call Nicolau! Get him in here to set up the UAL guys ASAP. They'll thank you, for sure.

Not part of the LCC soap opera or at UAL, just an impartial observer. If this merger happens, welcome back to ALPA, and get use to the Nicolau, because its the list that would be used in constructing an integrated seniority list with the UAL pilots.

 

[Guppiedriver]

.....and expect to carry those stellar career expectations with them

Now that's funny right there, I don't care who you are.

 

[CesnaCaptn]

What's stopping someone from getting there multi commercial at 18 years old, then leave flying and doing something else for 30 years, then coming back as a major captain at age 48 and with very little flight time.

Like res said. Only time at a union shop counts toward national seniority.

 

[wms]

It's not really gonna matter one way or the other. In the end Tilton will get his merger bonus and Parker will have the distinction of putting the whole venture out of business leaving thousands out of work.

 

[flygirlqt]

It's not really gonna matter one way or the other. In the end Tilton will get his merger bonus and Parker will have the distinction of putting the whole venture out of business leaving thousands out of work.

If the government had allowed the free market system to work, instead of propping up failing carriers with outdated bankruptcy laws and ATSB loans this would have happened years ago.

 

[Fubijaakr]

What's stopping someone from getting there multi commercial at 18 years old, then leave flying and doing something else for 30 years, then coming back as a major captain at age 48 and with very little flight time.

Well, you have to get hired first.

 

[BeCareful!]

You got to do better than that to get to me. I really don't get bothered by childish dribble. PS you forgot abot the 747's

Notwithstanding the fact that you didn't read my sarcasm properly and that I totally agree with your stance on this issue, I believe you meant "drivel," not "dribble." It's childish "drivel" posted here on the almighty FlightMisInfo.com

 

[eaglesview]

Notwithstanding the fact that you didn't read my sarcasm properly and that I totally agree with your stance on this issue, I believe you meant "drivel," not "dribble." It's childish "drivel" posted here on the almighty FlightMisInfo.com

You are correct, I was wrong. wasn't the first time, probably won't be the last.

 

[TWA Dude]

It's so nice seeing United's resident USAPA apologist and USAir Easties chumming up. If (Heaven forbid) this merger comes to fruition it'll be even nicer seeing that chumminess dissolve into acrimony.

 

[eaglesview]

TWA, If you are indeed an airline refugee (ex TWA) like most of us are I understand your frustration over a system that uses longevity. In my opinion your group took it in the shorts when you were bought by AA. I personnally don't feel the need to jump longevity nor am I in the mood to have folks jump over me?

Again, in my opinion, though AWA may have been a great place to work they still find themselves in a position where they are not bringing much to the table. Obviously this is not the fault of anyone that works there. If we do a relative seniority type of deal, AWA pilots will have gone from a small carrier to looking at widebody oceanic flying overnight,while the USAir pilots will get shoved even further down the list, Although you and some of your fellow AWA pilots would have no problem with this it would only bring anomosity and resent to the over all pilot group. If it is done by relative seniority, all of us will move up the list at a relativly constant rate as the older folks will be at the top.

Now as for USAP, they would have to go. It would make more sence to have UAPA, unless it's the USAir name that survives!!??