CNBC reports US Air / United in merger talks

[BeCareful!]

The problem with fences, particularly long fences which would be required in this instance with a DOH list, is that you create two pilot groups within one list.

Oh. Really? That's a real problem for you? Hmmmm. Seems like, oh, I dunno, maybe there could be much bigger problems. Think, think, think....when has a no-fence situation caused an even bigger problem. Hmmm.

I think the average FI.com reader can read between your lines and see why you'd think of any little reason not to embrace fences.

Two pilot groups constantly squabbling over where the fence should be, suspicious of each others motives, IOW a divided group.

Oh my god, that's right! Then there's that constant squabbling over where the fence should be. Yeah, gosh, that squabbling sounds simply horrid. Gee, glad you brought this up. Call Nicolau! Get him in here to set up the UAL guys ASAP. They'll thank you, for sure.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The day you get your Commercial Multi rating.

However, the seniority number is only unfrozen by employment with a union carrier.

 

[BeCareful!]

If I insert my relative seniority into the USAir nic award I go into the list at a point where I am junior to AWA guys with 6 years less longevity who are for the most part younger than me. NO thanks.

What's the problem? West guys are going to be real respectful and nice to you, like the one guy here who said a while back that he was practicing his Nicolau callout "Gear up, Grandpa!"

Good luck trying to explain to an AWA pilot that he doesn't belong ahead of you on the combined list. They fly people out of PHX you know!! That's where all the real action is, in case you hadn't noticed, and expect to carry those stellar career expectations with them across both oceans in the left seat of your 777's and our 330's.

 

[bizicmo]

The day you get your Commercial Multi rating.

What's stopping someone from getting there multi commercial at 18 years old, then leave flying and doing something else for 30 years, then coming back as a major captain at age 48 and with very little flight time.

 

[eaglesview]

What's the problem? West guys are going to be real respectful and nice to you, like the one guy here who said a while back that he was practicing his Nicolau callout "Gear up, Grandpa!"

Good luck trying to explain to an AWA pilot that he doesn't belong ahead of you on the combined list. They fly people out of PHX you know!! That's where all the real action is, in case you hadn't noticed, and expect to carry those stellar career expectations with them across both oceans in the left seat of your 777's and our 330's.

You got to do better than that to get to me. I really don't get bothered by childish dribble. PS you forgot abot the 747's

 

[FDJ2]

Oh. Really? That's a real problem for you? Hmmmm. Seems like, oh, I dunno, maybe there could be much bigger problems. Think, think, think....when has a no-fence situation caused an even bigger problem. Hmmm.

I think the average FI.com reader can read between your lines and see why you'd think of any little reason not to embrace fences.



Oh my god, that's right! Then there's that constant squabbling over where the fence should be. Yeah, gosh, that squabbling sounds simply horrid. Gee, glad you brought this up. Call Nicolau! Get him in here to set up the UAL guys ASAP. They'll thank you, for sure.

Not part of the LCC soap opera or at UAL, just an impartial observer. If this merger happens, welcome back to ALPA, and get use to the Nicolau, because its the list that would be used in constructing an integrated seniority list with the UAL pilots.

 

[Guppiedriver]

.....and expect to carry those stellar career expectations with them

Now that's funny right there, I don't care who you are.

 

[CesnaCaptn]

What's stopping someone from getting there multi commercial at 18 years old, then leave flying and doing something else for 30 years, then coming back as a major captain at age 48 and with very little flight time.

Like res said. Only time at a union shop counts toward national seniority.

 

[wms]

It's not really gonna matter one way or the other. In the end Tilton will get his merger bonus and Parker will have the distinction of putting the whole venture out of business leaving thousands out of work.

 

[flygirlqt]

It's not really gonna matter one way or the other. In the end Tilton will get his merger bonus and Parker will have the distinction of putting the whole venture out of business leaving thousands out of work.

If the government had allowed the free market system to work, instead of propping up failing carriers with outdated bankruptcy laws and ATSB loans this would have happened years ago.

 

[Fubijaakr]

What's stopping someone from getting there multi commercial at 18 years old, then leave flying and doing something else for 30 years, then coming back as a major captain at age 48 and with very little flight time.

Well, you have to get hired first.

 

[BeCareful!]

You got to do better than that to get to me. I really don't get bothered by childish dribble. PS you forgot abot the 747's

Notwithstanding the fact that you didn't read my sarcasm properly and that I totally agree with your stance on this issue, I believe you meant "drivel," not "dribble." It's childish "drivel" posted here on the almighty FlightMisInfo.com

 

[eaglesview]

Notwithstanding the fact that you didn't read my sarcasm properly and that I totally agree with your stance on this issue, I believe you meant "drivel," not "dribble." It's childish "drivel" posted here on the almighty FlightMisInfo.com

You are correct, I was wrong. wasn't the first time, probably won't be the last.

 

[TWA Dude]

It's so nice seeing United's resident USAPA apologist and USAir Easties chumming up. If (Heaven forbid) this merger comes to fruition it'll be even nicer seeing that chumminess dissolve into acrimony.

 

[eaglesview]

TWA, If you are indeed an airline refugee (ex TWA) like most of us are I understand your frustration over a system that uses longevity. In my opinion your group took it in the shorts when you were bought by AA. I personnally don't feel the need to jump longevity nor am I in the mood to have folks jump over me?

Again, in my opinion, though AWA may have been a great place to work they still find themselves in a position where they are not bringing much to the table. Obviously this is not the fault of anyone that works there. If we do a relative seniority type of deal, AWA pilots will have gone from a small carrier to looking at widebody oceanic flying overnight,while the USAir pilots will get shoved even further down the list, Although you and some of your fellow AWA pilots would have no problem with this it would only bring anomosity and resent to the over all pilot group. If it is done by relative seniority, all of us will move up the list at a relativly constant rate as the older folks will be at the top.

Now as for USAP, they would have to go. It would make more sence to have UAPA, unless it's the USAir name that survives!!??

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Not part of the LCC soap opera or at UAL, just an impartial observer. If this merger happens, welcome back to ALPA, and get use to the Nicolau, because its the list that would be used in constructing an integrated seniority list with the UAL pilots.

They have to get used to Nicolau anyway. Just because they created some farce union doesn't mean anything. The list is the list. Polonging it only has them making less money than basically everyone in the industry.

 

[Flightdawg]

USAPA is a joke. If there is a merger, it will push the majority to ALPA.

 

[Tomct]

UAL is now back with US pilots about DOH. Its been a long time coming. This thing is going down and the merged seniority lists (all three) will be DOH with fences, exactly what the real US pilots declared all along that was fair. Now the west kids will have to get in the back of the line where they belong, if they are even part of this merger. Phenix has nothing of value to anyone, except the flip flop crowd on Soutworst.

Considering that US was days away from Chapter 7, I find it hard to believe that the east guys continue to pound their chest's when in fact it was AWA who swooped in and SAVED THEIR JOBS! The ONLY reason Parker bought UScare is because he did not want SWA to get any part of their gates on the east coast through a Liquidation Sale.

Parker got EXACTLY what he wanted...angry pilots (with one another) and not have to EVER worry about any negotiations for a loooong time..if ever! AWA was a good airline that was SCREWED once it bought US. Too bad!

I see ALPA doing a percentage merge among both carriers...just like NWA/DAL. Not going to get our DOH.

 

[WSurf]

Considering that US was days away from Chapter 7, I find it hard to believe that the east guys continue to pound their chest's when in fact it was AWA who swooped in and SAVED THEIR JOBS! The ONLY reason Parker bought UScare is because he did not want SWA to get any part of their gates on the east coast through a Liquidation Sale.

Parker got EXACTLY what he wanted...angry pilots (with one another) and not have to EVER worry about any negotiations for a loooong time..if ever! AWA was a good airline that was SCREWED once it bought US. Too bad!

I see ALPA doing a percentage merge among both carriers...just like NWA/DAL. Not going to get our DOH.

Don't forget AWA was in just as bad a shape! Even Parker said they would have been out of buisness if they wouldn't have mergered with Airways. They would have followed Frontier and probably been bought by Republic. I think the Merger saved both of them.

 

[becket]

UAL is now back with US pilots about DOH. Its been a long time coming. This thing is going down and the merged seniority lists (all three) will be DOH with fences, exactly what the real US pilots declared all along that was fair. Now the west kids will have to get in the back of the line where they belong, if they are even part of this merger. Phenix has nothing of value to anyone, except the flip flop crowd on Soutworst.

You bet. You guys couldn't evade BINDING arbitration. Now you're saying not only will you successfully ignore an arbitrators ruling, you will ignore the Permanent Injunction and DOH will finally prevail...This is what you believe???

AWA is gone. So is AAA. It happened years ago. You guys wanted the single carrier status to steal what you couldn't get through normal, civilized channels. Well, you got your status. SINGLE CARRIER. USAPA, in no way, has the requirement to negotiate WITH ITSELF. There is no East, There is no West. Only the Single Carrier Status with the Common Collective Bargaining Agent known as USAPA.

The noose is as tight as it's going to get on DOH. Seham of course is already trying to make the AFOC believe that they're going to finally get that second bite at the apple. It's all a LIE but Good Luck anyway.