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[spinproof]

Fins:
What you're writing is admirable, but let's be real here. How many do you think will really walk the walk? I've heard from everyone why he/she does what they do, right down to greenslipping while we had guys on the street.
What you're suggestion takes real UNION balls, what we belong to is an organization!

737

Speaking of "Greenslipping" do you feel the same way about those pilots as you do about Comair pilots?

 

[FDJ2]

I think it is time to challenge the authority of the Railway Labor Act in this instance.

I hope you support ALPA-PAC, if you don't, then don't complain about the fact that we have one of the most anti-labor governments in the industrialized world.

You want to challenge the RLA and these recent court decisions. Support ALPA-PAC.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Good question...

What happens now? "We can only strike after the Railway Labor Act processes have been completed"...whatever that means, does not sound good.

Lets see, ASA has been negotiating under the RLA for four long years.... In other words, Comair pilots will be forced to work under the Company's imposed contract until it no longer makes a difference to the Company and they decide to negotiate.

I'm thinking the union should collect letters of resignation like a strike vote. If your MEC Chair walked into a meeting with a box of 1,800 resignation letters, he would have Delta's full attention. Let me know where to send mine - this abuse has to stop.

 

[~~~^~~~]

You want to challenge the RLA and these recent court decisions. Support ALPA-PAC.

You Sir are correct and have changed my position on ALPA PAC.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I hope you support ALPA-PAC, if you don't, then don't complain about the fact that we have one of the most anti-labor governments in the industrialized world.

FDJ2,
So is that ALPA's answer to improving things? Supporting liberal politicians is our only hope? If so, we are all in trouble. Many of us don't want "European style" government. Any potential benefits would quickly be erased by higher taxes, higher unemployment, more govt. regulation, higher oil costs, slowing economy, and a free pass for Muslim extremists. None of which will help our industry.

Has ALPA considered some "new" approaches?

1. Transportability of seniority like all other professions. This would allow people to make lateral moves, and the MESA's of the world would have to increase their pay and improve workrules.

2. Barriers to entry. Why does it only take 10 months to become an airline pilot? Open up a Flying magazine or AOPA magazine. Plenty of places offering to make people airline pilots in 10 months. Can you make a doctor, lawyer, accountant, or engineer in 10 months?

3. Effective Brand Scope that prevents carriers and pilot groups from competing with each other. So far this has only received lip service from ALPA.

There are many other things ALPA can do besides plead with a conservative group of people that they must support Democrats and Liberals......

 

[~~~^~~~]

Joe - very insightful post. Can you comment on whether Comair's pilots would be able to walk when Delta exits bankruptcy as Red Flyer suggests.

If Comair's FO pay rates go through the floor it is going to make ASA's fight to sustain decent FO rates very difficult. When you look around the industry ASA does better by its FO's than anyone else and that is a credit to those who worked to negotiate our current agreement.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe - very insightful post. Can you comment on whether Comair's pilots would be able to walk when Delta exits bankruptcy as Red Flyer suggests.

If Comair's FO pay rates go through the floor it is going to make ASA's fight to sustain decent FO rates very difficult. When you look around the industry ASA does better by its FO's than anyone else and that is a credit to those who worked to negotiate our current agreement.

I don't know the answer to that question.

Your right about FO rates. Take a look at the XJT, CHQ, and Eagle FO rates. Most post 911 contracts took money out of the FO rates to prop up captain rates. The XJT contract is being held up as a huge ALPA victory, but the dirty little secret is that at DOS, it paid FOs less than our 1998 contract. All that glitters isn't gold....

 

[PCL_128]

I hope you support ALPA-PAC, if you don't, then don't complain about the fact that we have one of the most anti-labor governments in the industrialized world.

You want to challenge the RLA and these recent court decisions. Support ALPA-PAC.

Amen, brother!!!

 

[737 Pylt]

Speaking of "Greenslipping" do you feel the same way about those pilots as you do about Comair pilots?

Greenslipping is a contractual right. I feel the same way about cmr pilots as I do you!

737

 

[spinproof]

Greenslipping is a contractual right. I feel the same way about cmr pilots as I do you!

737

The feeling is mutual.

 

[agonyairfo]

...still a republican. I vote based on allegiance to God, Country, Airline Industry, in that order/priority.

I get a kick out of people voting for special interest (although, I am not knocking the importance of a healthy airline industry to the country). But,

If you are into fishing, pick up a fishing magazine around election time.
If you are into guns, pick up a gun magazine around election time.
If you are into conservation...
If you are into general aviation?...
If you are into protecting the right to life/abortion...
If you are into marriage between a man and a multiple choice ...
If you want to pay less taxes..
If you want to stop the flow of illegal immigrants...

Basically, you can't find a candidate that fits all your preferences. You are going to have to choose what is most important. I don't think that someone should disregard that entire list for the sake of one interest.

 

[737 Pylt]

The feeling is mutual.

Poor spinproof, what are you going to do now that the hostile takeover has been flushed, much like your social life?! You'll have no more DL hatred to spew out!

737

 

[spinproof]

Poor spinproof, what are you going to do now that the hostile takeover has been flushed, much like your social life?! You'll have no more DL hatred to spew out!

737

On the contrary I have plenty of hatred leftover for you.

 

[BoilerUP]

Greenslipping is a contractual right.

So that makes it acceptable to do while pilots are out on furlough?

 

[Speedtape]

FDJ2,
So is that ALPA's answer to improving things? Supporting liberal politicians is our only hope? If so, we are all in trouble. Many of us don't want "European style" government. Any potential benefits would quickly be erased by higher taxes, higher unemployment, more govt. regulation, higher oil costs, slowing economy, and a free pass for Muslim extremists. None of which will help our industry.

Has ALPA considered some "new" approaches?

1. Transportability of seniority like all other professions. This would allow people to make lateral moves, and the MESA's of the world would have to increase their pay and improve workrules.

2. Barriers to entry. Why does it only take 10 months to become an airline pilot? Open up a Flying magazine or AOPA magazine. Plenty of places offering to make people airline pilots in 10 months. Can you make a doctor, lawyer, accountant, or engineer in 10 months?

3. Effective Brand Scope that prevents carriers and pilot groups from competing with each other. So far this has only received lip service from ALPA.

There are many other things ALPA can do besides plead with a conservative group of people that they must support Democrats and Liberals......

Yeah, but you left out a few.

4. Psychological testing for pea brains would be another.

5. Organize and vote out the pro labor party in the White House. That is the
"axes of evil" for all labor, unionized as well as non unionized!