Cmr Situation

[scopeCMRandASA]

Why, then, do you do less than 50% of the flying? What is it that you own--the piece of paper that your contract is written on?

If you can't read, you cannot be helped. You are right. Delta pilots do not perform all of their flying. Neither does every other major out there, cargo carriers included. here's the thing though. Comair performs 100% of its flying, yet is going away at an alarming rate.
I'll take Delta


The Delta pilots own the flying. Comair is a contractor, subject to removal at any time.

 

[PuffDriver]

Why, then, do you do less than 50% of the flying? What is it that you own--the piece of paper that your contract is written on?

Yawn.

You've run out of time as well.

This thread has run its course.

 

[Speedtape]

Yawn.

You've run out of time as well.

This thread has run its course.

I guess you can't truthfully answer the question. Resume your homework.

 

[Speedtape]

If you can't read, you cannot be helped. You are right. Delta pilots do not perform all of their flying.
And, Delta pilots do not own the flying. They only own a piece of paper that says so--but does not make it true. If you really owned the flying, then Delta pilots would be doing the flying. Make it happen and I will be the first to salute you. Until then, you perform the flying that Delta, Inc, gives you, just as Comair performs the flying that they are given.

Neither does every other major out there, cargo carriers included. here's the thing though. Comair performs 100% of its flying, yet is going away at an alarming rate.
As of today, Comair is still in business. No one on this forum knows what the future holds for Comair. The assigned flying that Comair is doing has been reducing, but the point is, the flying is not going away, and it is not going to Mainline. So, where is it going (rhetorical)? Joe Knows.
I'll take Delta


The Delta pilots own the flying. Comair is a contractor, subject to removal at any time.

You are confused. Delta pilots have the same corporate relationship to Delta, Inc, as Comair pilots. They both work for separate, but wholly-owned subsidiaries of Delta, Inc. Delta, Inc. owns and distributes the flying. Delta pilots own a piece of paper that makes them believe that they own the flying. If they owned the flying, then Delta pilots would be performing the flying. The piece of paper they own is like a mirage in the desert or a big pacifier--a False Quit Claim Deed. Interestingly enough, a large amount of the flying that Delta, Inc. owns is contracted out. Can Delta pilots terminate or execute those contracts? If they owned or really controlled the flying, then the answer would be yes!

 

[N813CA]

Like Skywest with its 18 year plus contract and such. Really sounds like Delta owns the flying!!!!

 

[WayBack]

Whip out the ruler, mine is bigger!

 

[bacardi]

Vandeley, good luck out there. Don't listen to these clowns on this message board.

 

[knightflyer]

Vandeley, good luck out there. Don't listen to these clowns on this message board.

Acutaly, don't listen to anyone on this board! Especially the Clowns!!!!:laugh:

 

[Bugsmasher Plus]

I'm still waiting for something useful to come out of Puffdriver. And btw, puff what does "you were there when comair made their bed, now you lie in it" (approx. quote) mean?

I hear people say things like, "Comair screwed themselves" and it makes me think. Why are we parking our aircraft now...the real reason? And why do some have a "serves them right" attitude about it? To help me figure this out, would you please indicate which past indiscretion we are now paying for: 1. strike, 2. JC furlough hiring policy, 3. RJDC.

I am just trying to get my ALPA brother's take on it. Thank you

Comair didn't screw themselves, the MEC screwed Comair and the rest of the regional industry with unrealistic expectations as a result of the useless strike.

What is happening today is a DIRECT fallout from the strike. Overnight, the company went from being the most profitable (thus financially secure) regional in history to the most expensive that nobody wanted any part of.

Here's the real kicker... Delta has announced "the PLAN" to shrink the company and work with labor to bring costs in line with the rest of the industry. You really don't think that's going to happen, do you? In the end, it's going to be labor that brings the company to its demise.

 

[Flyprdu]

Comair didn't screw themselves, the MEC screwed Comair and the rest of the regional industry with unrealistic expectations as a result of the useless strike.

What is happening today is a DIRECT fallout from the strike. Overnight, the company went from being the most profitable (thus financially secure) regional in history to the most expensive that nobody wanted any part of.

Here's the real kicker... Delta has announced "the PLAN" to shrink the company and work with labor to bring costs in line with the rest of the industry. You really don't think that's going to happen, do you? In the end, it's going to be labor that brings the company to its demise.

I think management just had an orgasm to your post. They couldn't be happier that untruths like what you just typed have propagated so well over the last decade.

It's nothing but conjecture and blind guessing that brings you to your conclusion... and you spout it off like it were fact. The fact of the matter is you don't know what circumstances brought OH to the situation that they are facing this year. Odds are it was multiple scenarios that prompted this give back... but I can bet you the main reason was the fact that those CRJs were wholly-owned and accessible to cancellation. It has nothing to do with contracts and earnings, pay, or QOL. That's just your own excuse making which allows you to look yourself in the mirror and sleep better for working for sh*t wages all these years.

 

[Bugsmasher Plus]

I think management just had an orgasm to your post. They couldn't be happier that untruths like what you just typed have propagated so well over the last decade.

It's nothing but conjecture and blind guessing that brings you to your conclusion... and you spout it off like it were fact. The fact of the matter is you don't know what circumstances brought OH to the situation that they are facing this year. Odds are it was multiple scenarios that prompted this give back... but I can bet you the main reason was the fact that those CRJs were wholly-owned and accessible to cancellation. It has nothing to do with contracts and earnings, pay, or QOL. That's just your own excuse making which allows you to look yourself in the mirror and sleep better for working for sh*t wages all these years.

Facts? I was in Comair management through the strike and left shortly after. I've watched as all this has unfolded and can tell you as FACT that had JC and the MEC been reasonable and negotiated in good faith prior to the strike, not tried to make an example and "reset" industry pay standards and avoided the work action altogether, Comair would have never been priced out of the competition and would have grown at a greater pace than Skywest or other DCI carriers. Costs were so high that new airframes went to other DCI carriers as well as new markets. As the 200 became less profitable, there was no shift to larger airframes leaving the company at a standstill.

I know about the facts, I was there and part of those "facts." As far as current marketablilty, what holding company on earth would want to deal with that labor situation? We all know that they are not going to work with Delta to make the company attractive to an investor. I can't imagine labor suddenly having a change in heart there to save the company.

 

[Broke in CVG]

Facts? I was in Comair management through the strike and left shortly after. I've watched as all this has unfolded and can tell you as FACT that had JC and the MEC been reasonable and negotiated in good faith prior to the strike, not tried to make an example and "reset" industry pay standards and avoided the work action altogether, Comair would have never been priced out of the competition and would have grown at a greater pace than Skywest or other DCI carriers. Costs were so high that new airframes went to other DCI carriers as well as new markets. As the 200 became less profitable, there was no shift to larger airframes leaving the company at a standstill.

I know about the facts, I was there and part of those "facts." As far as current marketablilty, what holding company on earth would want to deal with that labor situation? We all know that they are not going to work with Delta to make the company attractive to an investor. I can't imagine labor suddenly having a change in heart there to save the company.

FACT - Comair's pay rates are not uncompetitive. Factor in the 1 year loss of longevity due to the BK and we are actually below industry standard.
FACT - Comair's pilot group longevity is what makes the labor cost uncompetitive.
FACT - Delta has 1/2 Comair and will 1/2 again making every pilot (both FO & CA) at the top of their respective pay scale.

FACT - Delta did this.

 

[pinn82]

Don't worry too much Vandeley one of your female FO's was just telling my FO the other day that they are using this as a scare tactic. She said that they are painting 36 CRJ90's up in Montreal right now that are for Comair. Hopefully she is right.

 

[sunlitpath]

Don't worry too much Vandeley one of your female FO's was just telling my FO the other day that they are using this as a scare tactic. She said that they are painting 36 CRJ90's up in Montreal right now that are for Comair. Hopefully she is right.

I think we are way past scare tactics. Freddy's nightmare is now being played out...

 

[tiffanytaylor]

Don't worry too much Vandeley one of your female FO's was just telling my FO the other day that they are using this as a scare tactic. She said that they are painting 36 CRJ90's up in Montreal right now that are for Comair. Hopefully she is right.

Delta doesn't want us anymore. They may come to us but they will go to SkyWest after SkyWest buys Comair's assets and leaves the employees behind. We're screwed over all the way around.