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Stifler's Mom
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Treat your employees like $hit, guess what you get.
DoinTime
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Most pilot groups are pissed...it takes courage to act on it. Being pissed is never enough.
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Skywrjguy - Integrity?
How much integrity does it take to attack your agreement with your employees when you are earning a $50,000,000 profit. Comair's only justification is "because we can."
As far as integrity goes, Comair's management has nearly zero and they are reaping the product of the example they show. Congratulations to the Comair employees who are finally sending the message that they have had enough abuse.
Integrity sometimes means taking a stand.
Today my business partner called me about sending three employees on a trip. We decided that UAL's connection through Denver looked a lot better than a connection through CVG because of Comair's labor problems. Not much, but Delta's lack of integrity will cost them more in bookings than the amount they are trying to strip from the Comair pilots. Our little $1,200 in fares is not much, but it is being duplicated over and over again.
The only reason Comair is being attacked is because they suceeded in negotiating a contract that made flying at Comair a decent career choice. Management does not want that precedent to stand.
We pilots should support the Comair pilots. In my view - after management distroys its agreement with the employees, the employees are not under any agreement to do anything. Employment is purely "at will" now.
How much integrity does it take to attack your agreement with your employees when you are earning a $50,000,000 profit. Comair's only justification is "because we can."
As far as integrity goes, Comair's management has nearly zero and they are reaping the product of the example they show. Congratulations to the Comair employees who are finally sending the message that they have had enough abuse.
Integrity sometimes means taking a stand.
Today my business partner called me about sending three employees on a trip. We decided that UAL's connection through Denver looked a lot better than a connection through CVG because of Comair's labor problems. Not much, but Delta's lack of integrity will cost them more in bookings than the amount they are trying to strip from the Comair pilots. Our little $1,200 in fares is not much, but it is being duplicated over and over again.
The only reason Comair is being attacked is because they suceeded in negotiating a contract that made flying at Comair a decent career choice. Management does not want that precedent to stand.
We pilots should support the Comair pilots. In my view - after management distroys its agreement with the employees, the employees are not under any agreement to do anything. Employment is purely "at will" now.
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Did management? It is their airline to run. If they are having a problem with employee morale maybe they need to do something differently.
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I think I am going to tear up. sniff sniff.
samballs
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Not me, I called in sick 4 days had a good time.
samballs
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Did management take the time to think taking our pay would effect our christmas, NO.. As everyone says pax don't care about whats happening to us, so I'm not gonna worry what they think about me fighting with mang.. as for, gp do what mang says you P&ssy....
acarpe3448
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Typical Comair BS! These clowns are the biggest idiots I have ever seen! WOW what a man it takes to call in sick! I am impressed. All these DI$KS have done is to ensure more of their flying is moved to Skywest. Comair is unreliable, uncomfortable, nausiating experience. I look forward to this third class airline out for good!
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There are pilots that are pissed off? LOL no way!! The day there are no pissed off pilots is the day people are using transporter beams instead of airplanes to get around. I think there would still be pissed off pilots no matter what they make and no matter what their schedule is. We might as well have competitive rates and keep growing rather than trying to appease the angry minority.
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Oh my god! Did we just get a lecture about integrity from a Skywest pilot?
Seriously?
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Rejoinder...
While I agree sometimes one must take a stand in the face of adversity (you booking on UAL vs DAL is a good example of coping strategy), I don't think merely taking a stand qualities as an intergrity-driven action, and I would hope to see no other posts [others'] about professionalism when this kind of thing is condoned as a tactic. There is no doubt that management integrity may be of negative perception and consequence, but to suggest 'what is good for the goose is good for the gander' OR that 'the ends justify the means', is really loosening professional ideals. If a group intends to be professional--unionized or not--that means acting the proper way all the time, not just when it suits your own needs, even in the face of adversity. Perhaps there were 500+ actually sick people, but I doubt it. Believe me, I preach the same (when asked) to the folks I fly with...doing what is right is, at all times, the right thing to do. Somtimes the line is blurred between right and wrong when it comes to ethical decisions, but lying is not one of those lines. By doing the same as management (if that is the case) then you simply support or validtate their tactics...
BVT1151: Hardly a lecture, but your general ignorance is noted.
While I agree sometimes one must take a stand in the face of adversity (you booking on UAL vs DAL is a good example of coping strategy), I don't think merely taking a stand qualities as an intergrity-driven action, and I would hope to see no other posts [others'] about professionalism when this kind of thing is condoned as a tactic. There is no doubt that management integrity may be of negative perception and consequence, but to suggest 'what is good for the goose is good for the gander' OR that 'the ends justify the means', is really loosening professional ideals. If a group intends to be professional--unionized or not--that means acting the proper way all the time, not just when it suits your own needs, even in the face of adversity. Perhaps there were 500+ actually sick people, but I doubt it. Believe me, I preach the same (when asked) to the folks I fly with...doing what is right is, at all times, the right thing to do. Somtimes the line is blurred between right and wrong when it comes to ethical decisions, but lying is not one of those lines. By doing the same as management (if that is the case) then you simply support or validtate their tactics...
BVT1151: Hardly a lecture, but your general ignorance is noted.
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Coool Hand Luke
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Why on earth would you choose to book a flight in Chirstmas day anyway? (besides Muslims) I for one have never understood that. Also, what's up with the people that book redeye flights on New Years Eve?
If I were a pax (thankfully not often) and I wanted to be somewhere for the holidays I sure as hell wouldn't book a trip on any holiday, you are just asking for disappointment.
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While I was in college, I was taking part in the collegiate skydiving competition in Florida. It started on the 28th of December.
I had to book a flight on Christmas day to get to my friend's place so we could fly a Seneca down there in time.
So yeah, people do it, even people who celebrate Christmas!
I had to book a flight on Christmas day to get to my friend's place so we could fly a Seneca down there in time.
So yeah, people do it, even people who celebrate Christmas!
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stick it lecture party
He must be a suspender wearing, washed out of military flight training, wanna be checkairman type handing out integrity lectures. To top it off he has his PFT southwest credentials in his type list. Too bad maybe next time around walmart will hire you to fly those barney boats.
He must be a suspender wearing, washed out of military flight training, wanna be checkairman type handing out integrity lectures. To top it off he has his PFT southwest credentials in his type list. Too bad maybe next time around walmart will hire you to fly those barney boats.
WSurf
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Mr. SKYWRGUY, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
And you call yourself a Regional Airline Pilot?
WateryGrave
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Wow, It's sad to admit it but I'm really starting to enjoy your posts. Maybe its that I can actually visualize you coming home from work at the Walmart and catching the Comair guy diddleing your wife. Let me guess, you just haven't felt like a man since then? Its OK, Not many guys can feel manly when compared to a regional pilot. I think there are support groups for guys like you....
atlcrashpad
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If you is waitin' til X-mas day ta travel home you is duh "Tool". Riskin' travel, especially threw Cinncy... during da Holi daze... You so Krazy..... Bouyyyyyyyy...
regionaltard
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Maybe a lot of people were actually sick? Things have been going around
Seriously, in my big family, half of them came down with something during the Holidays. I'm not surprized at all with the amount of sick calls!!
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Those passengers you left stranded because you didn't feel like working pay your salary. Without them, you don't have your job. And why the heck would you complain about people flying on Christmas day? Have you ever thought that their lives don't revolve around your social calendar? They have jobs too, in fact I'll bet you that most of them work way more than the majority of airline pilots. Actually, I know they do, I worked for Pinnacle, and I worked a lot, and I work a heck of a lot more now that I'm no longer flying. The rest of the public flies on Christmas day because that is the only day they have a chance to get home to see their families, or in order to get back to their jobs.
The union strategy of pissing off your customers doesn't work. ALPA's retarded seniority system is your problem. The top 5% of the seniority list get the most days off, along with all of the holiday's off. How about this, if you work Christmas, you're not working New Years, or the 4th of July. Everyone gets a holiday during the year to be with their family. Makes sense, right? That's what a lot of places such as hospitals do, their workers work all day everday too. Oh yeah, ALPA is only interested in maintaining its own existence for its own benefits, and helping out the top 10% of the seniority list. (I do recognize some of the good that ALPA has done as far as safety and litigation for its members, however the overall organization is broken! As long as you continue with sickouts, you are not going to make any progress.)
The union strategy of pissing off your customers doesn't work. ALPA's retarded seniority system is your problem. The top 5% of the seniority list get the most days off, along with all of the holiday's off. How about this, if you work Christmas, you're not working New Years, or the 4th of July. Everyone gets a holiday during the year to be with their family. Makes sense, right? That's what a lot of places such as hospitals do, their workers work all day everday too. Oh yeah, ALPA is only interested in maintaining its own existence for its own benefits, and helping out the top 10% of the seniority list. (I do recognize some of the good that ALPA has done as far as safety and litigation for its members, however the overall organization is broken! As long as you continue with sickouts, you are not going to make any progress.)
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Exskydiverdrivr
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Yeah and what's wrong with rewarding seniority? Everybody that sticks around a place long enuogh is gonna be senior sooner or later. Personally , I'd like to think that after 10 or 15 yrs of flying holidays I could rest assured I'd be home with my family.
Growing up I remember my father (a cop) working some pretty messed up schedules because he was junior. As I grew older he was able to get the holidays off.
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