CMR on the move

[Buddro]

Give Comair the 16 EMB 170's that Chautauqua/Republic was awarded a few weeks ago and I bet it would pass 90% - 100%. That should get the CMR folks fired up.

 

[uba757]

I think CMR is the place that I would like to be. I am in the process of interviewing and have made up my mind that If the job is offered I would take it. My problem is that I made almost 3 times first year pay were I am right now. I have enough saved to survive one year at $23.00 an hour but I could never do it for five years. My wife and I just had a baby an that would be just too hard. I COULD SURVIVE with second year pay.

 

[701EV]

Ok let me see if I get this.

ASA is last in everything.

ASA needs to extend their current contract if they want to see any growth.

ASA doesen't give in on the extention.

ASA is awarded 25 CRJ 200 (some might be CRJ700s)

Comair is run like a fine tuned machine( except for Christmas Day)

Comair is asked to give consesions.

Comair doesen't give any consesions.

Comair BAD you don't get any growth.

FAST Foward to TODAY

If Comair will now freeze their current contract for a period of time they will get the EMB-170 and more growth?

Fast Freddy just shot Skippy in the back with that proposal, in regaurds to our negotiations at ASA. It sure seems like Freddy is desperate to get the EMB-170 at Comair. Could it be that Comair does cost less to operate than anyone else, even with those high pilot costs?

I'm not sure which is the right way to go on this. I do belive the ASA pilots would take the Comair contract and run with it.

Does anybody in Delta have any idea what they are doing.

just my 2 cents,

701EV

 

[chperplt]

Where did you read that CMR was getting the EMB-170s?? Fred said he wanted them, but didn't say they were coming.

Calm down a bit...

 

[ProLine4]

If Comair will now freeze their current contract for a period of time they will get the EMB-170 and more growth?

Fast Freddy just shot Skippy in the back with that proposal, in regaurds to our negotiations at ASA. It sure seems like Freddy is desperate to get the EMB-170 at Comair. Could it be that Comair does cost less to operate than anyone else, even with those high pilot costs?

I'm not sure which is the right way to go on this. I do belive the ASA pilots would take the Comair contract and run with it.

Does anybody in Delta have any idea what they are doing.

just my 2 cents,

701EV

Oh man, I can't wait to see how ASA mgmt responds to this! Dangling the growth carrot for "zero net gain", all over again, but this time, it might be occurring at both ASA and Comair. Maybe this explains why guys were told in recurrent to expect 25 airplanes minimum in 2005, and to expect class size to increase to 50 a month. What??? And just months ago the party line was "were only getting 25 airplanes max" ?
Sorry, no thanks. How about we fix the scheduling department first, increase QOL, first year pay, etc, and then address growth for the future. Most pilots here at ASA will not sell out this next contract for the prospect of shiny new airplanes, because it's explicitly clear that DCI has no qualms about awarding what initially appears to be wholly-owned future growth, to non wholly-owned subsidiaries. Good luck Comair.

 

[P38JLightning]

verbage

I agree with caveman and cherplt.

I would stand to benefit greatly from this proposal if it results in the afformentioned aircraft coming to our "airline" (not to mention keeping them off the property of the whore airlines who have already agreed to undercut us by 10-45% in pilot labor costs...and that [their growth] must be stopped by any means necessary IMHO) however there is no way in he!! this will even be considered unless everyone gets longevity raises, at least to year 2.

Once (and if) we ever clear this up, we can discuss the merits of this or whatever else, but there is no way in he!! i will tolerate daming a new hire to 23 bucks an hour for years and years. 35 new airframes would equal 175 upgrades (ballpark) so someone hired today (or 10 months ago even) would be stuck on first year pay for 10 years because they still wouldn't be able to upgrade.

So let's clear up this issue first. If we can't, its DOA.

 

[P38JLightning]

verbage, part II

Oh and we need to clear up the specifics of FB's so called snap back provisions.

Let's say we agree to this, and get one new 50 seater for 2005. Another one for 2006. Another one (this time a single 70 seater) for 2007 and so on. Would this count as "getting the growth airplanes" or will there be a strict timeline, with 100% retropay (plus compounded interest) if we don't get all 35 planes in a reasonable period of time?

 

[Mikes Apartment]

How do you mean 'trade contract for growth'? Doesn't sound like they are giving anything, just freezing what they have.

Does it hurt to be that stupid?

 

[bvt1151]

Just a matter of interest... Rumor has it Fred offered to have his head shaved by senior pilots if we accept.

That's the clincher for me!!!

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Does it hurt to be that stupid?

I don't know!!? Does it hurt to be that big a pri#k?

 

[PositiveRate]

Get the newbies at least 2nd year pay gaurantee and TAKE THIS guys. Don't be stupid. If this is for real, don't let this pass...I left because I thought the hope for something like this was GONE...(and many other reasons).

I say make him shave it!

 

[DDpaysoff]

They will want the non first year pilots to subsidize the 2cd year fo pay. The bottom line is this is business, and they have a number they need to meet. How they do it is up to the negotiators. One way or another this will get done. Non first year guys may have to take a pay cut in order for fo's to get their second year bump, either way the opportunity is there you have to take it. See what MEC says tomorrow, their letter today was exaclty what I expected. They acknowledged the offer and will review the details in tommorows MEC meeting. Stay tuned.
So, preferential hiring to delta furloughs will get done. They won't come in at 23 an hour forever that's for sure.

 

[capt.snitch]

30+ years in the regional industry. Have seen a great deal of growth but at some point, reality has to creep in....
We are not management-we are drivers. We, by our choices, chose toelevate our value beyond the industry's ability to support it. Yes wecarry a great responsibility on our shoulders, but so do bus driversand what do they make? Unless we recognize the razor thin margins thatthe airlines operate under, and take a painful look at the realities oftoday's supply chain, the great majority of "airline" pilots will bechanging careers out of necessity in the future. At some point, we haveto find a way to deal with the here and now and stop living in the"glory days" of commercial aviation. THEY ARE GONE.

 

[N2264J]

If the proposal is agreed to, the guarantee for the Comair team includes:
At least 25 new 70-seaters (hopefully ERJ 170s) and 10 CRJ 200s...I have challenged ALPA and the IBT to agree to our proposal by the third week in February.

Does anyone here remember LOA 46?

Is there any assurance that Comair pilots will actually be flying these planes?

Personally, I wouldn't want to sign on to a pay freeze until we all understand where the Delta furloughees fit into this deal.

 

[P38JLightning]

>>>Personally, I wouldn't want to sign on to a pay freeze until we all understand where the Delta furloughees fit into this deal.<<<


At the bottom of our list, if they choose to take the interview and if Comair management decides to hire them, unless we choose to modify our contract to allow otherwise (not even mentioned, much less in relation to this latest proposal).

And if its the cost of junior pilot attrition to our bottom line you're worried about down the road (i.e. when they get recalled by 2008 or sooner), I don't think we can do much worse than we've been doing the last year or two.

There are limits on what we are willing to negotiate, but if we are to have any hope for the future of our profession, we need these airframes on our property (or ASA's property) and NOT the contract carrier whores who cheerfully underbid us by 10-45%. Immagine being in negotiations in 2006 (or 2007, will it really matter?) with CHQ taking delivery of their 100th DCI 70 seater at our sub 40 seat pay rates.

Carpe Diem.