CitationAir Recalls 16 Furloughed Pilots

[captain dad]

http://www.ainonline.com/news/single-news-page/article/citationair-recalls-16-furloughed-pilots/

 

[CRJFlyer]

Airtran hiring, cargo outfits starting to hire, several regionals starting to hire, executive jet having record months...hmmm where does Netjets fall in this....Lemme think..Oh yeah they just furloughed... about a year too late... and WILL find themselves in trouble in few months or at the very least next year...

Welcome to the new NJASAP website seeing we can't get on our own anymore... I can still get on the company site, they didn't put a lockdown on us yet..

Anybody having the usual NJ question or comments that never get answered here..Now's the time to ask...We got all the dirt..

Not that it's all that interesting.....

 

[DUATS]

Hopefully the other fractionals will join in soon.....

 

[Jack Mehoff]

Company kicks you to the curb, Union turns their backs on you, "Only Netjets...." Stay classy San Diego!

 

[shanes123]

Oh please..NJ kept you employed as long as they could..And things will get better as soon as they write off some of there aircraft depreciation..Nobody is happy about being furloughed but its still the best job in the industry..Look at Flops...Look at citation shares..yes they brought back a few..But then cut everyones pay..Be glad your on the best list of furloughs you could be on..

 

[captain dad]

Don't be bitter.
I know it sucks but it's just business.
It will turn around soon enough.
It always does.

I still wanna see the five year plan though.

Look at airlinepilotcentral.com and imagine starting over at the bottom of any job. Other than maybe SWA, I think you're better off on furlough at NJA. Even SWA is hearing rumor of furloughs.

Three years from now this will be nothing but a bad memory.

 

[airjackson]

This is actually rather old news. I would be interested to know when the 16 will be back on property, if they are not already? Are the 16 going back into the AC they were on previously (except for the Bravo)? Also, any information on any further recalls down the road?

 

[fischman]

Company kicks you to the curb, Union turns their backs on you, "Only Netjets...." Stay classy San Diego!

Sorry you feel that way. I think NJASAP did everything we could to help the 495 out. We took voluntary measures. The FWG worked tirelessly for the 495. We donated money to NJFF. Donated Atlantic Bucks and AVTRIP points. I personally didn't let a 495er spend a nickel of their own money on tour. What else would you have had us do?

Now that the 495 are gone, ML stated in the 411 that our #1 priority is going to be getting your jobs back. I fully realize that emotions are peaked, and that many of the 495 are SCREWED (I've been there too), but I'd be careful about biting the hand that feeds you. Exactly how did NJASAP turn their backs on you?

Good luck.

 

[fischman]

Airtran hiring, cargo outfits starting to hire, several regionals starting to hire, executive jet having record months...hmmm where does Netjets fall in this....Lemme think..Oh yeah they just furloughed... about a year too late... and WILL find themselves in trouble in few months or at the very least next year...

Welcome to the new NJASAP website seeing we can't get on our own anymore... I can still get on the company site, they didn't put a lockdown on us yet..

Anybody having the usual NJ question or comments that never get answered here..Now's the time to ask...We got all the dirt..

Not that it's all that interesting.....

Did B19 get your password?

 

[EatSleepFly]

It really is impossible.....

 

[airjackson]

Seriously, is there a thread that you NJ Fuc-s won't hijack?

 

[XTW]

...Look at citation shares..yes they brought back a few..But then cut everyones pay..

Not entirely correct. No one's pay was cut. The amount of the future step increases for years of service is what was reduced.


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[CRJFlyer]

Did B19 get your password?

Not sure who that is..As you can see in around 10 yrs on this board I have a bit over 300 posts....I don't spend my life on here...

I'm referring to the mis-management of the company being the problem. Hopefully you can see that as a major problem also...

Also referring to the fact that at midnight we lost access to the message board. And I never got a 411 e-mail..Actually I haven't received one in a while.. I used to. I'm also referring to the fact that I had Crewops access a bit longer than NJASAP.. Just ain't great brotherhood there not from the average joe but from our elected officials or the Eboard.

Also thinking since I have no where else to vent, FI will have to be it. so instead of being all hush hush about NJA on FI, we can now all share whatever gripes we got. On the great FI.com....

and for the record EVERYONE pitched in for the voluntary measures.. (those that could) not just the guys that had no threat of job loss...

 

[rigger]

Not entirely correct. No one's pay was cut. The amount of the future step increases for years of service is what was reduced.


X

True So there is no pay cut until the one year anniversary, then they cut your pay.

As for the 16, it went to 20 deep on the list due to some bypass guys. They are all back on property, and either in training or just finished. Some same Aircraft some not depended.

CO said no more re-hires in 2010.....2 X's made it on property rumors of more but it all has to do with the sales pukes and how many managed A/C they can sell/steal.....

 

[OPECJet]

Guys, I know the message board is a sore subject. I'm just as disappointed as you are. Initially I advocated using this site as an alternative. Now, I see I was incorrect in my thought.

Bottom line is that when you compare the message board issue with everything else NJASAP has done for us, not being able to post on all areas (for the record, we DO have limited access) is VERY small potatoes.

I respectfully ask each of you to post your rants and raves on the new message board that one of our fellow pilots graciously set up for us. There is no reason not to remain on the high road and continue to act like the professionals we were hired to be.

Apologies for the partial hijack. Damn glad to see fellow pilots at CS getting a recall!

 

[CA1900]

Seriously, is there a thread that you NJ Fuc-s won't hijack?

An "NJ Fuc-" started this thread.

 

[fischman]

Seriously, is there a thread that you NJ Fuc-s won't hijack?

No.

What are you going to do about it?:nuts:

 

[Pervis]

Talk about sour grapes. I earned my furlough Tshirt long ago-short and long sleeve. Never was I paid full salary for 4 months after the announcement. Never did I get a 7 month refund of dues. Never did I see the collective band together to mitigate furloughs and most probably extend your employment far longer than any other furloughee's situation.

Yes, it sucks. Yes, there were mistakes made by management. But the overall economic situation has nothing to do with any individual or management team assiciated with NJA. I understand your bitterness. Been there done that. But don't bite the hand that fed and will feed you again. You're not entitled to anything any more than the tens of thousands who have been furloughed since 1979. Deal with it with some dignity, rather than whining like a spoiled two year old.

 

[airjackson]

No.

What are you going to do about it?:nuts:

Ahhh...internet bravado. Almost as entertaining as listening to you girls carp about NJ.

 

[CRJFlyer]

Talk about sour grapes. I earned my furlough Tshirt long ago-short and long sleeve. Never was I paid full salary for 4 months after the announcement. Never did I get a 7 month refund of dues. Never did I see the collective band together to mitigate furloughs and most probably extend your employment far longer than any other furloughee's situation.

Yes, it sucks. Yes, there were mistakes made by management. But the overall economic situation has nothing to do with any individual or management team assiciated with NJA. I understand your bitterness. Been there done that. But don't bite the hand that fed and will feed you again. You're not entitled to anything any more than the tens of thousands who have been furloughed since 1979. Deal with it with some dignity, rather than whining like a spoiled two year old.

While the pilot group was saying.."what's going on with the economy and work etc.." Management was saying " everything is fine, we're business as usual, lets hire a few more guys and ruin they're careers" To me that's ineptitude of management.. Even the average line guy knew something wasn't quite right. So for JC, the General et al to still be around is very poor judgement. and who knows maybe their time is limited here too?

And yes management did ruin the really junior guys careers.. Call back for them will be very long..... I personally know a few and they were fairly senior RJ Cpts. who will certainly never recover the financial losses.

No sour grapes, just pissed at the lack of decision making by mgmnt. BTW many of us earned our T-shirts more than once...