Citation Shares, what would you change?

[7777]

Thanks fellas. I didn't realize you were able to use that option to travel anywhere. That is great, though my wife is not going to like it if I get hired and use that option and leave her behind....lol. Guess I will be buying a ticket.

Great information fellas, thanks for taking the time and helping me out.

Now if they would open up more domiciles in the midwest, things would be golden.

MSP/STP please.

 

[EatinRamen]

Can anyone tell me what the new CS pay rate is for first year FO? Is the $40K amount shown on airlinepilotcentral.com the new rate?

 

[johnsonrod]

Can anyone tell me what the new CS pay rate is for first year FO? Is the $40K amount shown on airlinepilotcentral.com the new rate?

I believe that rate is the old rate. The new rate is effective soon (maybe April 1st) and it is closer to the Netjets newhire rate of about $60K to start.

 

[7777]

This was posted by a CS pilot on Airline Pilot Central.

7/7 Schedule - 182 Days per year

PIC Salary OT Rate FO Salary OT Rate

Year 1 $83,720 $690 Year 1 $55,510 $458

Year 2 $87,906 $725 Year 2 $58,286 $480

Year 3 $92,301 $761 Year 3 $61,200 $504

Year 4 $96,916 $799 Year 4 $64,260 $530

Year 5 $101,762 $839 Year 5 $67,473 $556

Year 6 $104,815 $864 Year 6 $69,497 $573

Year 7 $107,960 $890 Year 7 $71,582 $590

Year 8 $111,198 $916 Year 8 $73,729 $608

Year 9 $114,534 $944 Year 9 $75,941 $626

Year 10 $120,261 $991 Year 10 $79,738 $657

Year 11 $123,869 $1,021

Year 12 $127,585 $1,052

Year 13 $131,412 $1,083

Year 14 $135,355 $1,116

Year 15 $142,122 $1,171

This is base. I am told you can add anywhere from 5 to 10% of your base to this number to get an annual average (to adjust for per diem).

 

[learflyer]

Thanks fellas. I didn't realize you were able to use that option to travel anywhere. That is great, though my wife is not going to like it if I get hired and use that option and leave her behind....lol. Guess I will be buying a ticket.

Great information fellas, thanks for taking the time and helping me out.

Now if they would open up more domiciles in the midwest, things would be golden.

MSP/STP please.

Open? A CS pilot told me he heard they are reducing the bases to about 6, and grandfathering the current guys to their respective domiciles. Just something I heard. Someone else had to as well.....

 

[7777]

It will be interesting to see if they do this. This is the first time I have read someone say this.

 

[Busflyer]

Open? A CS pilot told me he heard they are reducing the bases to about 6, and grandfathering the current guys to their respective domiciles. Just something I heard. Someone else had to as well.....

The last word internally is that they would not be closing any bases(also not opening new ones) but that they are focusing their recruiting around their five largest bases. I know 3 of those 5 are HPN, MCO, DEN I forget the other 2 right now.

 

[flagshipper]

ATL, IAD, and PHX too I think.

CSM's little dream would be to have these huge mega bases so that every fleet is well staffed in every base and there would be little to no airlining. Sounds nice on the surface but I can't imagine how many well qualified applicants they are missing out on to try and save a few bucks on airline tickets. They are not shy about this process. One new guy I spoke with couldn't decide if he wanted to move towards GSO or IAD and the interviewer urges him in the interview that IAD would be better a choice (wink wink). Airlining is the name of the game in fractionals and they need to accept it.

 

[7777]

Chicago and Kansas City are not big bases for them?

 

[DAS at 10/250]

I have one friend at CS and they are trying to get on with NJ.

 

[7777]

NETJETS PILOTS...THANKS FOR EVERYTHING!

Please don't post your NetJets info. in here. THANK YOU

Please read the first post in this thread. Thank you for complying.

 

[Busflyer]

ATL, BOS, and SAT are the next 3 on the list as far as largest pilot bases....ORD did not make the top 10 list as far as base size goes which seems odd but that is the way it goes I guess.

 

[7777]

That surprises me.

So are ATL, DEN, BOS, SAT, MCO, HPN, IAD and PHX the bases they are going to start hiring for? Or is this still something that has not been decided?

 

[flagshipper]

Let me sorta straighten this all out. They have focused their recruiting efforts to ATL, DEN, MCO, HPN, IAD, and PHX. Not BOS or SAT. I mean by focus they sent out last year a million little postcards with some crap about the pilots in yellow ties blah blah. They will and still are hiring pilots into all bases but I bet if it came down to two equal people and one is based in GSO and one is based in ATL they will pick the ATL guy. Why? well they will be better able to utilize the ATL guy on first and last day versus the GSO guy who would certainly have to connect. With the new OT rules this is a bigger factor. I don't believe the base list will change, either bigger or smaller, in the near future but nothing will stop management from preferring people be based in one place or another. And I hate to drag this into it but until a contract is signed they can do whatever they want with no recourse. All said go to NJ if you can but don't wait around on CS to open more bases. They are too stubborn for that.

 

[BengalsFan]

You are McLovin!

SOrry had to say it!

 

[Lear70]

I have used the Air Tran jumpseat a couple times and had very little problems. You can call their reservations number the day before and ask them about seat availability for a jumpseater (we can not ride in anyone's cockpit jumpseat) then just go to the airport and ask a ticket agent or gate agent if they have room and could list you on the jumpseat.

For some reason when I call on the phone they don't show us on their jumpseat list, but this has never been a problem with the agents at the actual airport!

Sorry, late to the party (airTran guy - sorta).

The reservation agents don't understand the differences between listing for the jumpseat and listing as a non-rev, so they do what they know best - non-rev listing.

How do the Southwest folks treat the CShares jumpseaters? Hit or miss?

 

[flagshipper]

Sorry, late to the party (airTran guy - sorta).

The reservation agents don't understand the differences between listing for the jumpseat and listing as a non-rev, so they do what they know best - non-rev listing.

How do the Southwest folks treat the CShares jumpseaters? Hit or miss?

From what I have heard the only js that CS guys have been able to grab have been airtran and jetblue. One of the MCO guys told me SWA had shot him down every time.

 

[7777]

Let me sorta straighten this all out. They have focused their recruiting efforts to ATL, DEN, MCO, HPN, IAD, and PHX. Not BOS or SAT. I mean by focus they sent out last year a million little postcards with some crap about the pilots in yellow ties blah blah. They will and still are hiring pilots into all bases but I bet if it came down to two equal people and one is based in GSO and one is based in ATL they will pick the ATL guy. Why? well they will be better able to utilize the ATL guy on first and last day versus the GSO guy who would certainly have to connect. With the new OT rules this is a bigger factor. I don't believe the base list will change, either bigger or smaller, in the near future but nothing will stop management from preferring people be based in one place or another. And I hate to drag this into it but until a contract is signed they can do whatever they want with no recourse. All said go to NJ if you can but don't wait around on CS to open more bases. They are too stubborn for that.

Great information! Thanks for the clarification. I was thinking they were drawing down but I can see the advantages of saving money by going with a few heavily staffed domiciles. The bad thing, as you mentioned, how many quality candidate would you draw as a result of being limited like that?

Good information for sure. Thanks

 

[Lear70]

How hard is it to get hired for BNA?

 

[flagshipper]

How hard is it to get hired for BNA?

Well RM I flew with you at 9e a few times. PM me if you get a chance. Airtran not working out?