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CHQ to get 190's in exchange to let MDA fly 170's

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"Good afternoon. We had a good meeting with the IBT today and it appears we have reached a compromise on the question of operating E190s. We have some fence-mending to do with Airways to get ourselves back into this process and the IBT still must get the side letter ratified by the end of the month. Neither process will be easy, but I sense both sides will give it their best efforts. What more can you expect. "-Bryan Bedford

I was hoping it would work out that we would get all the 190 flying. All we have to do is agree to let all the MDA pilots come here and fly the 170. Pretty fair deal if you ask me.
 

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Aren't the AWA pilots (or new USAir pilots....) trying to block this? They should.



Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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General Lee said:
Aren't the AWA pilots (or new USAir pilots....) trying to block this? They should.



Bye Bye--General Lee

Agreed. Mainline pilots should be flying anything over 100 seats - unless you want to earn regional wages to fly the aircraft. Wait a second, Jet Blue is paying FOs regional wages to fly the E190... This is confusing.
 

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Bdfg1 said:
"Good afternoon. We had a good meeting with the IBT today and it appears we have reached a compromise on the question of operating E190s. We have some fence-mending to do with Airways to get ourselves back into this process and the IBT still must get the side letter ratified by the end of the month. Neither process will be easy, but I sense both sides will give it their best efforts. What more can you expect. "-Bryan Bedford

I was hoping it would work out that we would get all the 190 flying. All we have to do is agree to let all the MDA pilots come here and fly the 170. Pretty fair deal if you ask me.

Yeah, 50% of them. I wouldn't say "all" of them. Or is this Bedford's new proposal to the union?
 
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God I hope AWA ALPA doesn't let USAIR ALPA screw this up like every other thing they have touched I.E. Midatlantic.
 

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god, I was just starting to think that ctq was starting to rise out of the level of complete bottom feeding airline. If those pilots agree to give up all those seats just to get a few new airplanes, I will have lost what little respect I have left for them. Good luck to AWA and thier grievence.
 

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If those pilots agree to give up all those seats just to get a few new airplanes, I will have lost what little respect I have left for them.

EVERYONE VOTE NOOOOO!


He's lost respect for us!!!!!!!!

That would matter if any of us gave one rat's a$$ what another pilot group thinks about us. You have no idea what's going on behind the scenes at our company just as I don't know what's going on at yours. So just shut it.
 
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That would matter if any of us gave one rat's a$$ what another pilot group thinks about us. You have no idea what's going on behind the scenes at our company just as I don't know what's going on at yours. So just shut it.


We don't give 1 rats ass about you homos - and that is why we are going to prevent you schmucks from ever flying the 190s at $hit-taco !!!

Enforce Scope - Big Burrito Bombers at Mainline ONLY !!!!
 

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ok here we go again.

CHQ/REP pilots wish we didn't have to deal with the E190. We are only dealing with it because of US Airways ALPA. But the fact remains that the bid for 25 E190's was made, and we DO have to deal with that. What we have made that was not shown on this thread is that CHQ/REP pilots must vote on the increased J4J deal. We negotiated for improvments and correction to the language of our current contract before agreeing to send the ammended J4J contract to our membership for a vote.

We either vote for the aircraft, and improvment to our existing contract or the aircraft will go to another contract carrier. Thus the delimma. We would have preffered the E190 stay at mainline to increase jobs at mainline carriers; however, it has been put directly in our lap, and I think with the improvements it will probably pass.

Again I say its a shame that we must even have to deal with this. You shouldn't be upset with CHQ/REP for getting these E190's, you should be upset at why we are having to get them.

Learlove, after reading a couple of your posts I have gained new respect and understanding of your position. I sincerely hope that if AWA/U ALPA are unable to stop the E170/E190 sale, you will come to CHQ/REP with the resolve that you currently have and use your passion to help improve things here. Best of luck
 

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I can guarantee that it is the opinion of the vast majority of CHQ pilots that the 190's arrive on CHQ property. There is only one pilot I've ever heard from CHQ who doesn't want the 190's, and he's one post above this one.
 

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"We would have preffered the E190 stay at mainline to increase jobs at mainline carriers; however, it has been put directly in our lap, and I think with the improvements it will probably pass."


Who is we? Do you mean you? I respect that you are trying to defend your pilot group that seems to always be under constant attack. Unfortunately the majority of your pilot group are not "Old Man Pilots". Can you tell me one other place that USAiways would rather put these 190's??? The 190 going to CHQ has the potential to raise cash thru MDA asset sales/transfers, put two common type aircraft with the same carrier passing along the savings to USAirways in what they pay for contract costs, etc, etc, no other carrier can offer CASH SAVINGS when it comes to the 190, in fact I believe it would be added expense if they went elsewhere.

You would rather see these planes at mainline? You think your getting a rotten deal?

The very obvious answer is to vote it down and to spread the word to everyone else to do the same. I really don't know what I would do if I was in your position, honestly I haven't heard enough details on how this is all to go down. But you have, and you seem to think you can do better. Do you really think they won't come back with another deal considering Wexfords position?

I am 95% sure these airplanes are destined to arrive on your property no matter what (unless the America West guys some how find a leg to stand on...which I doubt). But I'm also in agreement with you Old Man P, I believe your pilot group will still pass this first time around. Good Luck! AD
 
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General Lee said:
Aren't the AWA pilots (or new USAir pilots....) trying to block this? They should.

Bye Bye--General Lee
LOA 46 left the door open for just this sort of bargaining at Delta. You might want to check in on your own MEC.
 

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You guys are forgetting just a few small details before you stick your 190 sticker on your bag.

The ALPA contract does not allow for transferring of 190 except for a small situation. That is, they have been ordered by Airways and can not be delivered. I remind you they have not been ordered.

The MDA pilots have an arbitration pending that is a general PIA for Airways and Republic management. IE training classes.

America West pilots are saying NO

The ATSB loan deal requires that if the division is sold tha vast majority of the capital raised goes back to the ATSB. This cash infusion will not really help Airways.

Apparently the combined ALPA groups and management are working on an agreement to keep both the 170's and 190's right where they are.

So other than those 5 things the 190 will be on your doorstep in no time.
 

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The very obvious answer is to vote it down and to spread the word to everyone else to do the same. I really don't know what I would do if I was in your position, honestly I haven't heard enough details on how this is all to go down. But you have, and you seem to think you can do better. Do you really think they won't come back with another deal considering Wexfords position?

From the updates from our own Union Reps, it sounds as if US wants a decision from CHQ/Rep ASAP. Management is telling us that U needs a decision from Wexford, I am assuming, before other options are excercised. Of course, management screaming that the sky is falling is nothing new to us.

We have yet to receive the J4J packet in the mail, since it was just agreed upon a few days ago. All of the details are outlined in those packets and there is NO supported information on the net.

After talking to one of our reps, I do know that we gave up nothing in return. But as of right now, that is all I or anyone, other than our council and management know.

The specifics are in the mail.
 
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Informative post FR8mastr....sounds like an extremely complex scam Airways is trying to pull here and I didn't realize there were still so many possible fights ro be fought. Wexford mgmt seems to be sending the message that this is as close to a done deal that is possible and theirs for the taking.....they just need to sign on the dotted line. Obviously the quicker they trap them into something, the less chance people get to see the big picture ("we need to sign something by the end of the month").....then if all the court battles are favorable....mgmt gets a sweet deal, if not.....back to the drawing board. Nothing to lose on thier part.

The whole situation is total b/s and I hope the MidAtlantic guys fight the good fight. 190's, 170's, and all the guy & gals that orig signed up for the program needs to be incorperated more into how this all goes down, good luck with that. AD
 
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avrodriver said:
....sounds like an extremely complex scam Airways is trying to pull here. AD

Airways try and pull one over on an employee group, no they'd never try that would they?? They are way too nice down there in CC to try anything like that.
 
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