CHQ E170s - When Do They Start Scheduled Service?

[Cleared Direct]

E170 started in service today. We have until next September to move them over to the Republic certificate in order to satisfy the temporary Delta scope agreement. According to Bedford during the 3rd quarter conference call, this should occur in the next couple of months.

I think you meant to say APA Scope agreement not Delta. Details below:


From: CA Ralph Hunter APA President <[email protected].... Subject: APA Information Hotline
Date: Oct 21, 2004 9:06 PM
This is Captain Ralph Hunter, APA President, with the APA
Information Hotline for Thursday, October 21.


CHAUTAUQUA AGREEMENT: This evening the APA Board of Directors
voted to approve a Letter of Agreement resolving the pending
technical Chautauqua Scope violation. Under the terms of the
LOA, management acknowledges that operation of 70-seat aircraft
by a commuter carrier would violate the APA-AA Collective
Bargaining Agreement, and a Scope exception would be required.
APA has therefore granted a limited, 180-day exception under the
following conditions:


Management will secure agreements with TransStates , Corporate and
Chautauqua Airlines that acknowledge the prohibition of operating
aircraft that do not comply with APA's Scope Clause.


Management and APA will sign a Letter of Agreement ensuring that
any future Air Services Agreement with a Commuter Carrier will
prohibit the Carrier from operating or utilizing aircraft that
are not permissible under the APA Scope Clause and granting APA
the opportunity to review draft agreements and provide input to
AA.


Management will compensate APA certain costs associated with our
Scope Committee for the balance of the current contract.


Management will pay APA a daily monetary penalty while Chautauqua
operates 70-seat aircraft during the period covered by the
exception. This penalty could total approximately $500,000 for
the duration of the exception. After the expiration of 180 days,
the penalty escalates significantly to around $30,000 per day
should Chautauqua continue to operate Scope-prohibited aircraft.


Given the difficulty we have experienced while attempting to
resolve past Scope disputes, we are pleased that APA and
management were able to craft a mutually acceptable solution to
the dilemma posed by Chautauqua.

 

[Airpiraterob]

does the APA thing specif planes operating at capacity of 70 seats or more only? or does it specify aircraft CERTIFIED to carry 70 or more seats?

at repub/chq, theyre not 70 seat configurations....they're just under 70 seats...like 64 or 67 or something, but theyre definitely not 70. therefore thats not a violation of the 70 rule right?

 

[nimtz]

Nimitz and others,

No offense taken. Until the CHQ contract becomes amendable, might as well be positive about the chances of a better one, right? It's a big if . . . and who knows what fuel prices and industry outlook will be in 3 years.

Cargojunkie, go back to the sandbox. I'm not on here to bash Mesa, Jetblue or anyone else, for that matter. Grow some cajones and tell us what "cargo" airline you work for instead of hiding behind a pseudonym. Or, like somebody already pointed out, you're probably a little ticked about an interview bust?

The point I was trying to make in my earlier post was that the perception, either by management or pilots, that anything/everything "Embraer" is a regional jet is detrimental to us ever receiving compensation approaching that of our colleagues at the "majors." How far pay will erode, how many concessions will be given...well, I guess that's to be determined. To use yet another cliche, the pendulum has to swing the other way, it's just a question of when.

And given the choice, I'd really rather _not_ see E-190's at CHQ or any other regional - just so everyone's clear on that.

Clear as mud?

-brew3

Brew,

It is definetly clear as mud, but I think you see the forest threw the trees. Everytime I see a new outfit operating 70 seat+ I think of the implications on all of us. I'm glad there are those out there that realize the damage rather then selfish attitude of how great to get new growth. Hey I want you guys to go after Bedford for something like real pay on the 70 seaters. Unfortunately Jet Blue management and blue juice drinkers have hurt that cause.

 

[CHQ-FO]

No, it is the Delta agreement that limits the flying of 70 seat aircraft by CHQ. For the details, listen to the 3rd quarter conference call. Delta relaxed their scope for a period of 12 months to allow the flying of the 70 seaters because of the delays in Republic's certificate. The American APA problem was an internal problem at American, not a conflict between American and CHQ.

 

[FlynSuperD]

at repub/chq, theyre not 70 seat configurations....they're just under 70 seats...like 64 or 67 or something, but theyre definitely not 70. therefore thats not a violation of the 70 rule right?

Chautauqua's 170s are a 70 seat configuration....that is from their website

 

[Cleared Direct]

No, it is the Delta agreement that limits the flying of 70 seat aircraft by CHQ. For the details, listen to the 3rd quarter conference call. Delta relaxed their scope for a period of 12 months to allow the flying of the 70 seaters because of the delays in Republic's certificate. The American APA problem was an internal problem at American, not a conflict between American and CHQ.

CHQ-FO,

Delta ALPA's scope clause does not have any control over CHQ's flying for other airlines like United. At this point CHQ is flying EMB-170s for United not Delta. APA's scope clause prevents any carrier that AA code shares with from operating any aircraft over 50 seats except up to 50 CRJ-700s at Eagle and some ATR-72s at both Eagle and TSA. Because AA code shares with CHQ with the EMJs for American Connection, they can't have 70 seaters on their certificate also. If they did they would be required to drop the American Connection flying to do it. Republic was where the planes were supposed to go, but the certificate was not approved in time to take delivery and start the flying for United.

You may call the dispute an internal thing at AMR, but that internal thing could have caused AMR to terminate the CHQ American Connection flying.

You said listen to the 3rd quarter conference call. Was that Delta's conference call or CHQ's conference call. Are you saying that CHQ is going to fly EMB-170s for Delta now?

 

[KingAirer]

No he isnt saying that. If you listen to the webcast, you will note that the 170 couldnt be operated by CHQ for anyone by current DL contract. That contract clause was waived for one year to give time for RP to become operational.

 

[Heavy Set]

What's the delivery rate for the E170s at CHQ? How many do they currently have, how many will they have before the end of the year and how many next year? Love that paint job.

 

[Tex-Ex]

First of all... who calls it an EMJ???

Second of all, there are a lot of positives that could come out of AA being forced to terminate their contract w/ CHQ. I.E. AMR has to take over CHQ's 140's

Tex

 

[CHQ-FO]

Cleared Direct,
The info regarding American and Delta scope agreements and an explanation of it from CHQ CEO Bedford can be found at rjet.com in the investor relations section. It does not appear that CHQ is sacrificing the codeshare with AA.