CHQ E170s - When Do They Start Scheduled Service?

[DirkkDiggler]

United used to own Air Wisconsin and when they sold the company in '91, I believe it was, they sold the Bae-146's as well. If they had wanted to keep them, I'm sure they could have.

 

[brew3departure]

None taken...

Nimitz and others,

No offense taken. Until the CHQ contract becomes amendable, might as well be positive about the chances of a better one, right? It's a big if . . . and who knows what fuel prices and industry outlook will be in 3 years.

Cargojunkie, go back to the sandbox. I'm not on here to bash Mesa, Jetblue or anyone else, for that matter. Grow some cajones and tell us what "cargo" airline you work for instead of hiding behind a pseudonym. Or, like somebody already pointed out, you're probably a little ticked about an interview bust?

The point I was trying to make in my earlier post was that the perception, either by management or pilots, that anything/everything "Embraer" is a regional jet is detrimental to us ever receiving compensation approaching that of our colleagues at the "majors." How far pay will erode, how many concessions will be given...well, I guess that's to be determined. To use yet another cliche, the pendulum has to swing the other way, it's just a question of when.

And given the choice, I'd really rather _not_ see E-190's at CHQ or any other regional - just so everyone's clear on that.

Clear as mud?

-brew3

 

[crjfo2b]

I saw an ERJ-170 at MKE the other day as we were taxiing out...

 

[Bart Simpson]

Brew, sorry to burst your bubble but in yesterday's Republic Airways Holding Webcast (Tuesday Oct.19), Bryan Bedford mentioned at least twice that Republic Airlines will not only have the 170 but also the 190.
I guess we'll see what happens.

 

[parrothead]

Hmmmmm! RJ's for Shuttle America?

Also, in that webcast Bedford said that the 170's and 190's would only be allowed to be on Chq's certificate until September of next year. They are still planning on those airplanes being moved to Republic's certificate. The part that I don't understand yet is that Republic's CEO is now Shuttle America's CEO. Figure that one out!

Hmmmmm! RJ's for Shuttle America?

 

[parrothead]

Hmmmmm! RJ's for Shuttle America?

Also, in that webcast Bedford said that the 170's and 190's would only be allowed to be on Chq's certificate until September of next year. They are still planning on those airplanes being moved to Republic's certificate. The part that I don't understand yet is that Republic's CEO is now Shuttle America's CEO. Figure that one out!

Hmmmmm! RJ's for Shuttle America?

 

[rattler]

Does CHQ have scope to prevent transfere of a/c, to get around pay issues? What's the deal?

 

[FlyingDawg]

Does CHQ have scope to prevent transfere of a/c, to get around pay issues? What's the deal?

Republic pilot are on the CHQ seniority list. Its all the same list.

 

[I.P. Freley]

Hmmmmm! RJ's for Shuttle America?

Yes! Any day now! In fact, I saw a gigantic model of the 170 sitting on the new CEO's desk, and he was rubbing his hands together and chuckling and giggling, and I overheard him saying:

"Buaaahahahahahahaha! These puppies are coming here to my new posting! Buaaaaaahahahahahaha! Take THAT, Bedford!!"

 

[CHQ-FO]

E170 started in service today. We have until next September to move them over to the Republic certificate in order to satisfy the temporary Delta scope agreement. According to Bedford during the 3rd quarter conference call, this should occur in the next couple of months.

 

[Cleared Direct]

E170 started in service today. We have until next September to move them over to the Republic certificate in order to satisfy the temporary Delta scope agreement. According to Bedford during the 3rd quarter conference call, this should occur in the next couple of months.

I think you meant to say APA Scope agreement not Delta. Details below:


From: CA Ralph Hunter APA President <[email protected].... Subject: APA Information Hotline
Date: Oct 21, 2004 9:06 PM
This is Captain Ralph Hunter, APA President, with the APA
Information Hotline for Thursday, October 21.


CHAUTAUQUA AGREEMENT: This evening the APA Board of Directors
voted to approve a Letter of Agreement resolving the pending
technical Chautauqua Scope violation. Under the terms of the
LOA, management acknowledges that operation of 70-seat aircraft
by a commuter carrier would violate the APA-AA Collective
Bargaining Agreement, and a Scope exception would be required.
APA has therefore granted a limited, 180-day exception under the
following conditions:


Management will secure agreements with TransStates , Corporate and
Chautauqua Airlines that acknowledge the prohibition of operating
aircraft that do not comply with APA's Scope Clause.


Management and APA will sign a Letter of Agreement ensuring that
any future Air Services Agreement with a Commuter Carrier will
prohibit the Carrier from operating or utilizing aircraft that
are not permissible under the APA Scope Clause and granting APA
the opportunity to review draft agreements and provide input to
AA.


Management will compensate APA certain costs associated with our
Scope Committee for the balance of the current contract.


Management will pay APA a daily monetary penalty while Chautauqua
operates 70-seat aircraft during the period covered by the
exception. This penalty could total approximately $500,000 for
the duration of the exception. After the expiration of 180 days,
the penalty escalates significantly to around $30,000 per day
should Chautauqua continue to operate Scope-prohibited aircraft.


Given the difficulty we have experienced while attempting to
resolve past Scope disputes, we are pleased that APA and
management were able to craft a mutually acceptable solution to
the dilemma posed by Chautauqua.

 

[Airpiraterob]

does the APA thing specif planes operating at capacity of 70 seats or more only? or does it specify aircraft CERTIFIED to carry 70 or more seats?

at repub/chq, theyre not 70 seat configurations....they're just under 70 seats...like 64 or 67 or something, but theyre definitely not 70. therefore thats not a violation of the 70 rule right?

 

[nimtz]

Nimitz and others,

No offense taken. Until the CHQ contract becomes amendable, might as well be positive about the chances of a better one, right? It's a big if . . . and who knows what fuel prices and industry outlook will be in 3 years.

Cargojunkie, go back to the sandbox. I'm not on here to bash Mesa, Jetblue or anyone else, for that matter. Grow some cajones and tell us what "cargo" airline you work for instead of hiding behind a pseudonym. Or, like somebody already pointed out, you're probably a little ticked about an interview bust?

The point I was trying to make in my earlier post was that the perception, either by management or pilots, that anything/everything "Embraer" is a regional jet is detrimental to us ever receiving compensation approaching that of our colleagues at the "majors." How far pay will erode, how many concessions will be given...well, I guess that's to be determined. To use yet another cliche, the pendulum has to swing the other way, it's just a question of when.

And given the choice, I'd really rather _not_ see E-190's at CHQ or any other regional - just so everyone's clear on that.

Clear as mud?

-brew3

Brew,

It is definetly clear as mud, but I think you see the forest threw the trees. Everytime I see a new outfit operating 70 seat+ I think of the implications on all of us. I'm glad there are those out there that realize the damage rather then selfish attitude of how great to get new growth. Hey I want you guys to go after Bedford for something like real pay on the 70 seaters. Unfortunately Jet Blue management and blue juice drinkers have hurt that cause.

 

[CHQ-FO]

No, it is the Delta agreement that limits the flying of 70 seat aircraft by CHQ. For the details, listen to the 3rd quarter conference call. Delta relaxed their scope for a period of 12 months to allow the flying of the 70 seaters because of the delays in Republic's certificate. The American APA problem was an internal problem at American, not a conflict between American and CHQ.

 

[FlynSuperD]

at repub/chq, theyre not 70 seat configurations....they're just under 70 seats...like 64 or 67 or something, but theyre definitely not 70. therefore thats not a violation of the 70 rule right?

Chautauqua's 170s are a 70 seat configuration....that is from their website