CHQ E170s - When Do They Start Scheduled Service?

[GFunk20]

Yeah really. We are no different than Skywest, Mesa, or Air Wisconsin flying 70 seaters for United.

The latest E-170 seniority list has 4 or 5 UAL FOs for Jets for Jobs so far.

 

[WyoHerkdriver]

Thanks for the information. I was not aware that there was a jets for jobs arrangement for the UAL guys. I thought for sure that the 170 carried more than 70 passengers. How many does the 190 carry? I sure hope we don't start seeing those at places like Mesa and Eagle as that will be really bad news.

 

[brew3departure]

We already do see them at JBLU...

Wyoherkdriver, I agree with you. I think the horses are out of the barn already, so to speak, with regard to the E-190's. While they aren't actually on the property at JB, the pay rates and all are agreed to - and believe me, I'm not knockin' JetBlue folks but the E190 pay rates are pretty sad.

Who knows - by the time they arrive JB could be considered a major - maybe it already is to most, I don't know.

There are those at the regionals that want the E190's and above, and it does not bode well for the next ten years or so if companies and union look at "Embraer" and see "RJ" or, more importantly, Regional jet pay.

On the flip side, it is cheaper for UAL to run an E170 from ORD-BDL than an A319 or a 737? Probably. We have yet to see how these airplanes will really be utilized. If they do the off-peak, almost but not quite profitable routes for UAL and leave the profitable stuff to the mainline pilots, at the very least, it might help UAL's bottom line. On the other hand, if they do what Airways has done and start flat-out replacing routes with RJ's, that's another story.

If CHQ drops the hammer and signs a good contract next time around with significant pay increases, the line between regional and non-regional will continue to blur, as it already has to some degree. The arrival of E190's, though, at any regional and/or whatever JetBlue is considered - will be a bad thing for those wanting to break into the next tax bracket as a pilot.

Of course, there will be those at whatever company receives these jets that will be happy to fly something bigger, to fly a "real airplane", happy with the pay increase, etc.

It will be very interesting, though, to see what happens on a larger scale, now that we have an RJ that, by any other name, isn't really an RJ at all.

And if you want to get really nit-picky, I flew to MSP last month on one of the oldest "RJ's" around - a tired 'ol North Central vice Northwest DC9-10. 60 seats in that bad boy, I think.

-brew3

 

[cargojunkie]

im disappointed that chq is turning into a mesa. You fly this airplane so cheap that others will have to follow. Chq and mesa guys have to know how much every airline hates them.

 

[nimtz]

If CHQ drops the hammer and signs a good contract next time around with significant pay increases, the line between regional and non-regional will continue to blur, as it already has to some degree.

No offense brew, but I'll bet you 10 to 1 odds that this does not happen. As long as it says Embraer or Candair on the side of the airplane apparently it is a regional jet. If you want those larger airplanes you have to be willing to fly them for dogsh!t rates. The only way you guys might get paid remotely right is if CHQ is able to start its own independent airline, which I doubt DAL, UAL, US Air, and AMR are intrested in helping fund. The blur between mainline and regional is entirely in the size of jet flown NOT in the payscale/benefits. Until there are sweeping changes to this industry we will be dealing with that pain in the years ahead...

 

[Rekks Inbound]

The Air Willy/146 issue is VERY different. These aircraft are operated under an 'exclusion' in the scope clause. We are limited to 18 aircraft ONLY, are limited to SPECIFIC TAIL NUMBERS (we can't just replace one without UAL MEC approval), and we have been operating these aircraft for many years prior to the growth that UAX has been seeing. The only reason that we still operate these birds is ASE and EGE. Its the only machine out there that can do both the circle and the missed without hitting the rocks.

 

[I.P. Freley]

im disappointed that chq is turning into a mesa. You fly this airplane so cheap that others will have to follow. Chq and mesa guys have to know how much every airline hates them.

Is this a CFI talking, a freight doggie talking, or a newbie FO at another airline talking? Or "other"?

 

[Be200pilot]

what an ignorant comment by cargojunkie. "every airline must hate CHQ, Mesa......." Grow Up. This crap reminds me of high school.

 

[jaybird]

He's pissed, he couldn't get hired.

 

[91100 100 set]

cargo junkie...

it's not only about pay rates...

 

[Russ]

Anyway........

Anyone know what the 170 is like from the cockpit door forward? Is it a performer or lacking in power like other RJ's, the CRJ 700 excluded.
Usual MACH number, usual range of altitudes, how does it do at the higher elevation places?

Anything has to be better than the juvenile name calling

 

[Flying Horses]

E-170 Tech Specs

Anyway........

Anyone know what the 170 is like from the cockpit door forward? Is it a performer or lacking in power like other RJ's, the CRJ 700 excluded.
Usual MACH number, usual range of altitudes, how does it do at the higher elevation places?

Anything has to be better than the juvenile name calling

http://www.republicairlines.com/aircraft.asp

Go through the pages. Tech Numbers are on last page...http://master.mx-targeting.com/mx/s...097191716867&rcntr=8&&cookie3=1;1098168320;32

 

[On Your Six]

Anyway........

Anyone know what the 170 is like from the cockpit door forward? Is it a performer or lacking in power like other RJ's, the CRJ 700 excluded.
Usual MACH number, usual range of altitudes, how does it do at the higher elevation places?

Anything has to be better than the juvenile name calling

I flew in it as a pax recently and it does not lack in power. I liked the acceleration and the flight deck looked nice and comfortable. I really was impressed with the automation - I think it is a Primus Epic system. It retains the "big airplane" feel of a larger aircraft - feels like an A319. JetBlue's larger 190s should be great to fly too - although the pay sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[sweptback]

I flew in it as a pax recently and it does not lack in power. I liked the acceleration and the flight deck looked nice and comfortable. I really was impressed with the automation - I think it is a Primus Epic system. It retains the "big airplane" feel of a larger aircraft - feels like an A319. JetBlue's larger 190s should be great to fly too - although the pay sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, because taking a casual glance at the flight deck (look at all those pretty screens!) tells you a lot about the automation features.

 

[Twotter76]

Regional Jet my a$$. Look at its range map on page two of this link. Notice that it includes the ENTIRE US and central America from Chicago. I had a chance to get inside one of the CHQ aircraft the other day and it is indeed very nice and will be well liked by the pax once the usual new fleet issues are taken care of. Too bad about the pay though...

http://www.republicairlines.com/aircraft.asp