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I'm wearing mine today.... Extra heavy tin (aluminum) foil!!! and foil lined shorts as well!!Aerosmith said:
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Re: conversion in CELCIUS
Dude, you are either a flake or you are yanking our collective chain.
1) You have no reason to believe that the images in your picture are at 12,000 feet. Jeez, I am a pilot and I can't just tell you what the cloud bases are just by looking up from the ground.
2) Clouds - and therefore condensation trails (CONtrails) - can form at any altitude if the conditions are right. It is rare to see them at low altitudes and I can never recall seeing one at 12,000 feet, but it is possible.
3) Your photo's are not legitmate as evidence because even you can't evaluate them without knowing what the level of the contrails are at.
4) Your photo's are iliegitmate as evidence, further, because you have no idea - solely looking at a picture - what the winds and temps aloft were at the time the photo was taken.
5) Your argument is illegitimate because you start from a preconceived idea and then as a defesne you just point to a photograph.
Now I have some questions for you:
1) Can you idenitfy the four types of fog and the wind conditions required for any of them to form?
2) Can you explain even the basics of what is required for a cloud to form?
3) Can you identify the four (or five) cloud types and how to classify them?
4) Can you tell me which direction a cold front generally moves in this hemisphere?
5) Can you tell me which direction a wind shift will happen when a frontal system passes?
I'll bet you have no idea. And these aren't even tough questions. Every pilot on this board could answer these in their sleep because they actually read books about weather written by scientists who have studied weather for years.
Don't come to to pilots who have actually taken the time to learn about the world around them, and how the processes of nature work, and show us pictures and then try to tell us we're stupid and don't have a clue. Or that we're lying to you.
Don't believe everything you have read on some black helicopters conspiracy website. Go to the library and read this sh!t for yourself.
Bottom line: If you can't answer these basic questions then you are not even remotely qualified to enter into a conversation with any of us about weather phenomena.
One last question for you. If the government REALLY was using airplanes to spray chemicals in the air for some nefarious purpose, don't you think they would do a better job making them disperse and just float down onto everyone? I mean, why the hell would they waste the time and money just to let the stuff float around up there?
On second thought, you probably have no answer for that either. Dude, get off this board. Just go away.
Denver130 said:
Dude, you are either a flake or you are yanking our collective chain.
1) You have no reason to believe that the images in your picture are at 12,000 feet. Jeez, I am a pilot and I can't just tell you what the cloud bases are just by looking up from the ground.
2) Clouds - and therefore condensation trails (CONtrails) - can form at any altitude if the conditions are right. It is rare to see them at low altitudes and I can never recall seeing one at 12,000 feet, but it is possible.
3) Your photo's are not legitmate as evidence because even you can't evaluate them without knowing what the level of the contrails are at.
4) Your photo's are iliegitmate as evidence, further, because you have no idea - solely looking at a picture - what the winds and temps aloft were at the time the photo was taken.
5) Your argument is illegitimate because you start from a preconceived idea and then as a defesne you just point to a photograph.
Now I have some questions for you:
1) Can you idenitfy the four types of fog and the wind conditions required for any of them to form?
2) Can you explain even the basics of what is required for a cloud to form?
3) Can you identify the four (or five) cloud types and how to classify them?
4) Can you tell me which direction a cold front generally moves in this hemisphere?
5) Can you tell me which direction a wind shift will happen when a frontal system passes?
I'll bet you have no idea. And these aren't even tough questions. Every pilot on this board could answer these in their sleep because they actually read books about weather written by scientists who have studied weather for years.
Don't come to to pilots who have actually taken the time to learn about the world around them, and how the processes of nature work, and show us pictures and then try to tell us we're stupid and don't have a clue. Or that we're lying to you.
Don't believe everything you have read on some black helicopters conspiracy website. Go to the library and read this sh!t for yourself.
Bottom line: If you can't answer these basic questions then you are not even remotely qualified to enter into a conversation with any of us about weather phenomena.
One last question for you. If the government REALLY was using airplanes to spray chemicals in the air for some nefarious purpose, don't you think they would do a better job making them disperse and just float down onto everyone? I mean, why the hell would they waste the time and money just to let the stuff float around up there?
On second thought, you probably have no answer for that either. Dude, get off this board. Just go away.
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flywithastick said:
Hey fly, the solar flare is actually a CIA plot to disrupt communications for the purposes of illegaly monitoring phone calls, radio transmissions, satellite usage, and tracking emails on the internet.
The tin hat is not enough. I had to completely cover my home and my computer in tin foil.
I say this just so you can better prepare yourself.
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Typhoon1244 said:ALCOA must love you!
(Well, you said tin, didn't you? Never mind...)
Typhoon, you have stumbled into another conspiracy. Tin Foil and Aluminum Foil are treated by mopst people as the same thing, but they're NOT. Big industry has teamed up with the CIA to try and perpetrate this big lie on the american people and it proves that the government lies to us!!
You see, ALUMINUM FOIL will NOT protect your brain from the CIA satellite mind control devices, but TIN FOIL WILL. When "they" found out about this "they" created a program to start to make people think that ALUMINUM FOIL was the same as TIN FOIL - and thereby make people like us think that ALUMINUM FOIL made us secure.
ITS ALL A BIG LIE MAN!!! YOU HAVE TO USE TIN FOIL.
I'm telling you. With all these duped wacko's out there, the world just isn't safe for us normal folks anymore.
I can even prove it. Do an internet search and you will come up with NOTHING WHATSOEVER about this. Does that make any sense? HE!! NO! The CIA has gone through the internet and taken down the websites that tried to expose the big lie.
Have you ever met anyone (other than me, but I have no fear of death) that had realized this? That just proves my point. The CIA already took them out....
Uh oh....
they're coming for me.....
I hav
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Re: Re: conversion in CELCIUS
looks like those boys forgot to turn off the sprayer before they descended to land. tsk tsk. i dont know about them, but turning off the chem sprayers is on our descent approach checklist so things like this dont happen.
also..good point TXCAP4228.. wtf would they spray so high up if they were gonna spray, by the time it gets to the ground, not only will it be blown away from the target below, it would be so dispersed and diluted it would be ineffective. also, you'd figure they would make it so you couldnt see the chemicals spraying out... that way all these "smart" chemtrail people wouldnt be able to figure it out.
next time you think there's a conspiracy, first think about this: why would they make it so obvious to see/figure out and what makes you think you're gonna be smart enough to outsmart a govt conspiracy.
btw, does anyone know where to buy tin foil in quantity? now that the aluminum/tin foil thing has been exposed, you can bet that the cia agents working at the various grocery stores will work to get rid of tin foil so we cant protect ourselves.
Typhoon1244 said:If there's enough moisture in the air, yes. They'll be short-lived, but they'll be there.
Condensation trails will form anywhere if there is enough moisture in the atmosphere and if the ambient air temperature is cold enough. They can even form below 1,000 feet under certain conditions (as you can see here and here).I see a contrail. Only an ignorant paranoiac would see a "chemtrail." Oh yeah! That "chemtrail" is practically touching the roof, isn't it!
looks like those boys forgot to turn off the sprayer before they descended to land. tsk tsk. i dont know about them, but turning off the chem sprayers is on our descent approach checklist so things like this dont happen.
also..good point TXCAP4228.. wtf would they spray so high up if they were gonna spray, by the time it gets to the ground, not only will it be blown away from the target below, it would be so dispersed and diluted it would be ineffective. also, you'd figure they would make it so you couldnt see the chemicals spraying out... that way all these "smart" chemtrail people wouldnt be able to figure it out.
next time you think there's a conspiracy, first think about this: why would they make it so obvious to see/figure out and what makes you think you're gonna be smart enough to outsmart a govt conspiracy.
btw, does anyone know where to buy tin foil in quantity? now that the aluminum/tin foil thing has been exposed, you can bet that the cia agents working at the various grocery stores will work to get rid of tin foil so we cant protect ourselves.
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This thread has been pretty entertaining for us over on a friend of mines anti-chemtrail website. Its a whole website dedicated to making fun of these loons and chemtrails. Their 9/11 beliefs chemmies have are even kookier than chemtrails.
http://pub31.ezboard.com/fcontrailsandchemtrails22884frm1
http://pub31.ezboard.com/fcontrailsandchemtrails22884frm1
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This was the first sight I found when I typed "chemtrails" in google... www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm
The message board is a real hoot! click on "aerosol crimes"
Also as if Denver is interested in Temps aloft, just go look at a temperature and winds aloft chart.
The message board is a real hoot! click on "aerosol crimes"
Also as if Denver is interested in Temps aloft, just go look at a temperature and winds aloft chart.
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Hey Denver,
The next time you see a Chemtrail at 12thousand feet, or when you see aircraft that look suspicous; just call up a aircraft rental company and rent yourself an airplane (and pilot) so that you can collect the data firsthand.
You will need to wait until the last minute to pick out your charter company, if you let them know what you want, they will have adequate time to rig the instruments so that they can fool you about the altitude. Just in case, you should go to a good jewelry store and buy an pilots watch that includes an altimeter. That way you will know the altitude without having to rely on the aircraft instruments. Have the pilot climb to the altitude that you think contains the Chemtrails and look for yourself.
You will need to rent an airplane capable of climbing high enough to reach the altitudes you want to investigate, meaning that you will need to avoid most training aircraft. The average trainer doesn't have enough power to climb much above 10thousand feet.
Let us know what you find out.
regards,
enigma
The next time you see a Chemtrail at 12thousand feet, or when you see aircraft that look suspicous; just call up a aircraft rental company and rent yourself an airplane (and pilot) so that you can collect the data firsthand.
You will need to wait until the last minute to pick out your charter company, if you let them know what you want, they will have adequate time to rig the instruments so that they can fool you about the altitude. Just in case, you should go to a good jewelry store and buy an pilots watch that includes an altimeter. That way you will know the altitude without having to rely on the aircraft instruments. Have the pilot climb to the altitude that you think contains the Chemtrails and look for yourself.
You will need to rent an airplane capable of climbing high enough to reach the altitudes you want to investigate, meaning that you will need to avoid most training aircraft. The average trainer doesn't have enough power to climb much above 10thousand feet.
Let us know what you find out.
regards,
enigma
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It started with this...empenage said:
You know, something just dawned on me:
(1) Why would Denver130 think that professional pilots who are not in on "the conspiracy" would posess documents about a super-secret Pentagon project?
(2) Furthermore, if anybody on this forum is in on "the conspiracy," does Denver130 really believe that they'd just hand over whatever documentation they had on it?
Suggests a third-grade mentality, if you ask me...
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This is from the website 414Flyer referred to. It's from a lady named "Lisa" and it's about another follower of the "chemtrail conspiracy" named "Michael" who set up a Yahoo! discussion group about chemtrails, then promptly deleted it:
By the way, here's proof that Albertans are insane, too.
(You know, sometimes, during the dead of Winter, I see "chemtrails" coming from other cars on the street. My god! How far does this conspiracy go?
)
And this is the kind of person that is trying to keep us all safe from "chemtrails."
By the way, here's proof that Albertans are insane, too.
(You know, sometimes, during the dead of Winter, I see "chemtrails" coming from other cars on the street. My god! How far does this conspiracy go?
)
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I am really disappointed. I had so much fun making fun of Denver130 that I really hoped he would come back - even though I told him to go away.
I laughed about this thread for two days.
Anybody want to go over to one of these wacko websites and have a little fun?? I have some mischevious ideas....
I laughed about this thread for two days.
Anybody want to go over to one of these wacko websites and have a little fun?? I have some mischevious ideas....
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I admit!
Last month the feds were in at our flight school and fitted our cessnas with dispensers. I guess they came up with new technology in order to fit non-turbine aircraft. What do I know, I'm just a pilot. They needed more coverage at lower altitudes, so they went around asking at flight schools for help. Being in financial trouble, I couldn't resist the offer.
Anywhoo, when we're out practicing maneuvers and such we are to turn it on for at least 1 hour. Sometimes when the flights are short, we gotta land with them on... Kinda sucks cause now all the grass at the end of the runway is dead along with the poor rabbits that used to live there. High concentration is deadly you know?
Anyways, if you're wondering why all the funny patterns, It's cause many GA airplanes are now fitted with those, and we don't really navigate like the big boys, we just go wherever we want at whatever altitude you know?
We all got a HUGE bennefit package from the feds tho. Here's to my new car!!!
Last month the feds were in at our flight school and fitted our cessnas with dispensers. I guess they came up with new technology in order to fit non-turbine aircraft. What do I know, I'm just a pilot. They needed more coverage at lower altitudes, so they went around asking at flight schools for help. Being in financial trouble, I couldn't resist the offer.
Anywhoo, when we're out practicing maneuvers and such we are to turn it on for at least 1 hour. Sometimes when the flights are short, we gotta land with them on... Kinda sucks cause now all the grass at the end of the runway is dead along with the poor rabbits that used to live there. High concentration is deadly you know?
Anyways, if you're wondering why all the funny patterns, It's cause many GA airplanes are now fitted with those, and we don't really navigate like the big boys, we just go wherever we want at whatever altitude you know?
We all got a HUGE bennefit package from the feds tho. Here's to my new car!!!
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Can jet contrails form at 8C at 12,000ft?
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If there's enough moisture in the air, yes. They'll be short-lived, but they'll be there.
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Whats wrong with this answer?
It doesn't go along with NASA or NOAA.
It doesn't account for the extremely low temperatures that scientists say you need to form jet contrails.
If....it did happen.....(and thats a big "if") it doesn't help us explain why people all over the country would take an interest in this issue. Would you spend your efforts in time and research for a "short lived" contrail that evaperates in 30 seconds? The answer is no!
I wouldn't
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If there's enough moisture in the air, yes. They'll be short-lived, but they'll be there.
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Whats wrong with this answer?
It doesn't go along with NASA or NOAA.
It doesn't account for the extremely low temperatures that scientists say you need to form jet contrails.
If....it did happen.....(and thats a big "if") it doesn't help us explain why people all over the country would take an interest in this issue. Would you spend your efforts in time and research for a "short lived" contrail that evaperates in 30 seconds? The answer is no!
I wouldn't
Lets take a look at those photos
www.geocities.com/houstonchemtrails.
a. Chemtrails Grid (taken in Las Vegas which normally has low humidity and high heat): When was that ever normal at your house? Ask you neighbor when they have ever seen that over their homes on a regular basis. Why does it linger and appear to be dispersing instead of evaporating? Why isn't it pencil thin like normal jet appearances when looking up at the sky? When did commerical jetliners form grids over your home? Finally if its just ice crystals, why aren’t they evaporating quickly. Mark Steadman did a study on jet trail activity in Houston. After studying 70 jet contrails, he found that the average duration of a jet contrail was 30 seconds. Wouldn't that seem strange to you if this appeared over your house and lasted for hours? Explain it to me PLEASE!
b. Chem Orb: I got that photo after coming home from church in Houston at 12:00 noon in July. Orbs around the sun usually occur in the far north in the winter in extreme cold because the orb forms as a result of ice crystals in the air. not in Houston, TX - and in the picture is a low altitude (chem)trail.
c. Chem Tail: This photo came from Austin, Texas with 15 percent humidity (not 70 percent or saturated humidity) at 95 degrees at noon. In this climate, this jet contrail would not occur. It’s too hot and dry. I lived in Austin for 6 months as a contractor and never saw this activity. And why is the chemical coming out the tail of the jet? This shot is consistent with many photographers who have shot close-ups of military aircraft spraying. Only they have actual shots of the chemical coming out of nozzles. If you were to go to Austin today and observe the sky, you would shake your head in disbelief because now the trails are lower, bigger, and wider and have an oily appearance. Why shouldn't we bring these observations into question?
d. Chem Lines: That is right above the roof of my apartment. Why are they so distinct in the photo? Why are they so large? Shouldn’t they be pencil thin like the normal appearance of jet contrails at 30K or 40K feet? Why 4 in formation? Commercial jets don't do that? Why over my apartment? When was the last time you got a picture of a jet contrail so close to your roof?
e. ChemX: A friend in Muskegon, Michigan took this one. What is strange about that photo? When was the appearance of jet contrails that big and distinct? Why are the neighbors taking about it? Why the X? This was taken out in the country not next to an airport. In all my years in Muskegon, I can truthfully say that I have never seen that kind of phenomenon in Muskegon. Also, jet contrails should not show up on a photo as if someone took an eraser to the sky. Jet contrails are normally pencil thin. Take a sharpened pencil and write a line on a piece of paper. That’s how a normal jet contrail appears (30K to 40K high) looking at it FROM THE GROUND.
f. Chem Goo:
1. It has the appearance of a chemical falling out in the air.
2. If it was a bonified jet contrail - there’s no way a 20X optical zoom could get that good of a close-up.
3. Although you cant see it here in the photo, you can see it on the video that the trail is not disappearing but dispersing outward as the wind picks it up until the a vast sky area around it looks milky blue. Even the chemical engineers at ConocoPhillips where I work at, after watched this phenomenon during their lunch times have called this observation “a chemical spill in the air”. Why should I question their conclusions? At the very minimum, we should take their conclusions seriously. They are chemical experts. I’m just a network administrator.
www.geocities.com/houstonchemtrails.
a. Chemtrails Grid (taken in Las Vegas which normally has low humidity and high heat): When was that ever normal at your house? Ask you neighbor when they have ever seen that over their homes on a regular basis. Why does it linger and appear to be dispersing instead of evaporating? Why isn't it pencil thin like normal jet appearances when looking up at the sky? When did commerical jetliners form grids over your home? Finally if its just ice crystals, why aren’t they evaporating quickly. Mark Steadman did a study on jet trail activity in Houston. After studying 70 jet contrails, he found that the average duration of a jet contrail was 30 seconds. Wouldn't that seem strange to you if this appeared over your house and lasted for hours? Explain it to me PLEASE!
b. Chem Orb: I got that photo after coming home from church in Houston at 12:00 noon in July. Orbs around the sun usually occur in the far north in the winter in extreme cold because the orb forms as a result of ice crystals in the air. not in Houston, TX - and in the picture is a low altitude (chem)trail.
c. Chem Tail: This photo came from Austin, Texas with 15 percent humidity (not 70 percent or saturated humidity) at 95 degrees at noon. In this climate, this jet contrail would not occur. It’s too hot and dry. I lived in Austin for 6 months as a contractor and never saw this activity. And why is the chemical coming out the tail of the jet? This shot is consistent with many photographers who have shot close-ups of military aircraft spraying. Only they have actual shots of the chemical coming out of nozzles. If you were to go to Austin today and observe the sky, you would shake your head in disbelief because now the trails are lower, bigger, and wider and have an oily appearance. Why shouldn't we bring these observations into question?
d. Chem Lines: That is right above the roof of my apartment. Why are they so distinct in the photo? Why are they so large? Shouldn’t they be pencil thin like the normal appearance of jet contrails at 30K or 40K feet? Why 4 in formation? Commercial jets don't do that? Why over my apartment? When was the last time you got a picture of a jet contrail so close to your roof?
e. ChemX: A friend in Muskegon, Michigan took this one. What is strange about that photo? When was the appearance of jet contrails that big and distinct? Why are the neighbors taking about it? Why the X? This was taken out in the country not next to an airport. In all my years in Muskegon, I can truthfully say that I have never seen that kind of phenomenon in Muskegon. Also, jet contrails should not show up on a photo as if someone took an eraser to the sky. Jet contrails are normally pencil thin. Take a sharpened pencil and write a line on a piece of paper. That’s how a normal jet contrail appears (30K to 40K high) looking at it FROM THE GROUND.
f. Chem Goo:
1. It has the appearance of a chemical falling out in the air.
2. If it was a bonified jet contrail - there’s no way a 20X optical zoom could get that good of a close-up.
3. Although you cant see it here in the photo, you can see it on the video that the trail is not disappearing but dispersing outward as the wind picks it up until the a vast sky area around it looks milky blue. Even the chemical engineers at ConocoPhillips where I work at, after watched this phenomenon during their lunch times have called this observation “a chemical spill in the air”. Why should I question their conclusions? At the very minimum, we should take their conclusions seriously. They are chemical experts. I’m just a network administrator.
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No it does not have to be -70, nor do contrails have to be pencil thin. You have obviously read too much of William Thomas,who is using this to sell books.
No more dodging questions.
And again, I will ask.
Where did you arrive at 12,000 ft at, how did you measure it.
How is it that you on the ground know those trails are there, yet pilots never see them at those altitudes.
Did you ever think to ask people that do spend time at those altitdudes if there were trails, instead of reading chemtrails webpages and assuming they they must be true.
No more dodging questions.
And again, I will ask.
Where did you arrive at 12,000 ft at, how did you measure it.
How is it that you on the ground know those trails are there, yet pilots never see them at those altitudes.
Did you ever think to ask people that do spend time at those altitdudes if there were trails, instead of reading chemtrails webpages and assuming they they must be true.
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My God Denver, please learn and read about meteorology before spouting off the chemmie buzzwords.
Chemgoo? hahahahahahaha WTF is that?
Maybe the average trail duration is 30 seconds. THat does not mean every trail has to. The atmosphere is changing and dynamic.
What if the average temp where you are is 60F. Does that mean everytime it is not 60, that the government is modifying your weather?
You dont think there can be freezing temps way above Austin during the summer? Explain.
Its coming from the tail of the jet? Huh?
Chemgoo? hahahahahahaha WTF is that?
Maybe the average trail duration is 30 seconds. THat does not mean every trail has to. The atmosphere is changing and dynamic.
What if the average temp where you are is 60F. Does that mean everytime it is not 60, that the government is modifying your weather?
You dont think there can be freezing temps way above Austin during the summer? Explain.
Its coming from the tail of the jet? Huh?
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