chemtrails

[ShinerBocknabtl]

Well boys and girls, what you might be seeing is government weather modification experiments. One form I'm aware of is referred to as "cloud seeding" in which a plane has some type of media expelled and then flares also fit into the mix somewhere. At any rate, it's not a huge secret but it's also not front page news. Del Rio is home to the Southwest Texas Weather Modification program, might be a website but if not you can always check out Artbell.com.

 

[bigD]

Anyone hear about that F/O program some company has going down in Florida? It's not cheap (~19K), but apparently they also teach you how to load the chemical trays, as well as repair sticky fetzer valves.

Any opinions on this place?

 

[cl-65link]

Weathermod is done in the Plains to prevent hail from thunderstorms damaging crops. Iodine is "seeded" into the thunderstorm cloud by an aircraft(usually a light-twin). The iodine is heavier than the water inside the cloud and causes it to fall, instead of moving up and down in the storm, preventing the formation of hail. UND has(or had) such a program.

 

[Northern Lights]

This must be some sort of international conspiracy then... When I was in Europe I saw these 'chemtrails' all over the place too. Also I've seen them extending in to Canada when I've been up near the border! Sheesh, what's going on here?!!

Also www.weathermod.com

They do stuff all over the place, something going on in India right now, I think one of the pilots is making something like $8000/month for that gig.

 

[flywithastick]

Probably didn't help when NASA was spraying some compound in nice holding pattern shapes over Houston a couple of years back from 50-60,000' with their WB-57. Something about "atmospheric research". Saw it myself on several occasions...

The Rooskies were supposed to have, and may still be seeding clouds on a fairly large scale to alter rain and storms.

 

[Airpiraterob]

its the Bi-Valve Quadroflex Hootenator. theres your problem. if it sends the wrong mix into the Fetzer valve manifold, it'll gum up your ejectors.

 

[414Flyer]

There are a few of us ex-weather mod pilots here that I know of.

No, its not so much about weight of iodine particles, besides they are extremely small and minute. Its like an artificial ice crystal, that begins to start the glaciation process of the supercooled liquid crystals, which in itself can cause updrafts to happen from the heat released, when the water changes state from liquid to solid. For rainfall augmentation purposes, its just to try and make the natural process a bit more efficient and try to get a little more precipitation.

When it comes to hail suppression, its a similar process, but done to a heavier degree, to try to add too many condensation nuclei, so that hailstones do not have as much of a chance to grow, since there are more nuclei now for a given amount of water.

What the chemtrail loons are talking about is seeing contrails across the sky that are parallel or that cross...Thats obvious signs of a government spraying program to them. They have not caught on to aircraft navigation yet, nor do they want to.

Oh and if the trails are a bit too big and wispy or last a bit too long, they think the same.

They just have not grasped the concept of a dynamic and moveing atmosphere, with differences in temp and winds.

To them, by god if its hot on the ground, its hot up there, and if the wind is light and westerly on the ground, its that way up there. And if a trail lasts more than a few seconds, its chemicals!

 

[Aerosmith]

I have seen multiple contrails over Greenland, Sahara, Siberia and the Indian ocean.
I am sure somebody is trying to poison all these d@mn eskimos, cameljocks and commies.
What has the world come to?

 

[Typhoon1244]

I've been eMailing Denver130 for a few days now, and I almost thought I had convinced him that the "chemtrail conspiracy" is total fiction. I really thought I had cleared the air, if you'll excuse the pun. Then I receive the following. Don't give up, keep reading...I think you'll find it amusing.

I find it exasperating.

From [email protected]:
You have a lot of good points and I’ve thought about them much before typing this email. I think the problem in the chemtrail controversy revolves about what people consider as “normal”. I believe that most citizens have come to consider a pencil thin, high altitude contrail as “normal”. “Normal” as being what most people see on a day to day basis. Moreover, jet contrail physics seems to fit the pencil thin explanation as well the majority of the
time. I have taken time to view publications that discuss and explain jet contrails and whenever they discuss them, they use the terms/phrases “high altitude,” “-50 degrees,” “saturation of humidity” and altitudes of "30,000/40,000 ft.” Most of the documents I’ve seen stay in that pattern.

I can’t think of one publication that describes jet contrails as “lasting for hours,” “occurs in dry arid conditions,” “easily seen as jets land at the airport,” or “occurs in real hot climates as well as cold climates.” Finally, from my own observations with 40 plus years of experience, I can say that pencil thin, high altitude contrails fit the “normal” pattern as well. Many times I’d see them at the beach, watch the lonely jet cross the sky and within 10 minutes be gone as well as the trail. Just about anybody you interview without a doubt would agree that pencil thin contrails are “normal.”

However, I do agree that there are rare (non day to day) exceptions. I’ve even read literature on the exceptions. But I wouldn’t consider the exceptions as a normal day to day phenomenon (as observed on the ground) nor would I put them on an equal footing with what people consider the “norm.” I’d consider it an exception and treat it like an exception. If they were that common, you would see them on TV and the printed page all the time.

Have you ever watched “Wings” on cable TV? You hardly ever see jet contrails on that show. What about newspaper advertisements? In USA today there’s a big full page add with a giant 747 jet in it. No jet contrail behind that baby! What about airplane magazines at the bookstore? Sorry, I can’t find photos there either. What about the movies? Of all the jet scenes I’ve encountered I may have seen one military movie with jet contrails but they came from missiles. Hard to believe isn’t it? They do exist but they appear rare.

I also hold to the belief that jet contrails are rare as viewed from
the ground. Literature and simple observation from the ground on clear days can easily demonstrate the rarity of jet contrails. You can record days without seeing jet contrails whether its Houston or Las Vegas, and then for a day or week at a time see hundreds of low altitude jet contrails lingering for hours. If I can’t even get ice cubes on my back door to last 15 minutes in
one of the hottest climates in the USA, its hard to believe that low altitude ice crystals can last for hours. (even doing the math of subtracting 2.5 degrees for every thousand feet wouldn’t explain the chemtrails were seeing unless your living in a real cold climate to begin with.)

Finally, it appears that the anger of the citizenry has boiled to a
point where a grass roots movement of citizens is calling this type of trail into question at state and national levels because it seems un-normal to them. (for example, you can now find a chemtrails website from just about every single city or town in America, complete with photos and citizen research, as well as letters to senators and representatives.). Citizens are reading
books, observing the sky, recording observations electronically, and taking a careful look at what officials are telling them. And they are concluding that chemtrails is not a hoax as Lt. Col USAF Michael Gibson has claimed.

Why would people be wasting their time on a so-called “hoax”? Because these citizens are like my supervisor, at ConocoPhillips who is an intelligent, well educated lady who woke up one day to see a low attitude grid shaped group of trails over her house that didn’t go away for hours nor did it fit the explanation of the “norm”. She never forgot it. It spoofed her. It spoofed her daughter and it spoofed her neighbors, just as it is spoofing
everyone else in the country.

Is this normal? Has the norm changed? Is there a logical explanation why we don’t have deep blue skies any longer? Why the sudden appearance of grid trails, X trails, wheel trails and the like?

And finally, could it be that there really is a covert military program altering the upper atmosphere for military purposes? Would you be able to tell the difference?

 

[bunnyfufu]

sounds strangely like someone defending their religion..

 

[Typhoon1244]

Sounds strangely like someone defending their religion.

Interesting comparison. These people saw something in the sky they can't explain...thanks to a lack of basic scientific knowledge. They decide that it must be...

(1) the work of God, or...

(2) part of some vast government conspiracy.

Probably not God, since God doesn't seem to operate a whole lot of MD-80's and 767's, so it must be the evil government. They're probably spraying us with liquified magic crystals from Atlantis. Or maybe its something they've refined from the seminal fluid of space aliens.

And the best part of this explanation is that it's impossible to prove one way or the other!

So yeah, you're right. Very similar.

 

[414Flyer]

He is right...pretty good observation. A lot of us who make fun of chemmies have likened "chemtrails" to a pseudo-religion.

Its a belief, with no tangible evidence, that requires faith, in the absense of said evidence..And it generates suspicion and hostility from them when you ask questions or point out holes in their chemtrail belief system. And they look upon "learned" people, (pilots, atc, meteologists), with suspicion and ridicule.

You can point out forever about atmospheric conditions, types of aircraft, how aircraft navigate, etc...doesnt matter a thing..Its their chemtrail faith that matters

 

[Typhoon1244]

You can point out forever about atmospheric conditions, types of aircraft, how aircraft navigate, etc...doesnt matter a thing..Its their chemtrail faith that matters.

Maybe it's less painful to believe that you feel lousy because the men-in-black in their unmarked airplanes are poisoning you than it is to believe that you need to cut back on the MacDonalds and get some exercise...

 

[slinky]

check this out
these people will, despite logical evidence to dispute them, argue their point. Amazing.

http://www.rense.com/politics6/chemrl.htm

 

[flywithastick]

Interesting comparison. These people saw something in the sky they can't explain...thanks to a lack of basic scientific knowledge. They decide that it must be...

(1) the work of God, or...

(2) part of some vast government conspiracy.

Probably not God, since God doesn't seem to operate a whole lot of MD-80's and 767's, so it must be the evil government. They're probably spraying us with liquified magic crystals from Atlantis. Or maybe its something they've refined from the seminal fluid of space aliens.

And the best part of this explanation is that it's impossible to prove one way or the other!

So yeah, you're right. Very similar.

Your trust in the almighty, omnicient, benevolent federal gub'ment puzzles me since you are so sceptical/critical of those of faith. Don't tell me you support a womans right to free choice, but not my right to free choice of personal vehicle,what I think or what I say.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Your trust in the almighty, omnicient, benevolent federal gub'ment puzzles me since you are so sceptical/critical of those of faith.

Uh, this has nothing to do with how much I trust the government. This has to do with ignorance about condensation trails.

You're not telling me that you actually give some credence to this chemtrail nonsense, are you? Please say no!

 

[flywithastick]

Uh, this has nothing to do with how much I trust the government. This has to do with ignorance about condensation trails.

You're not telling me that you actually give some credence to this chemtrail nonsense, are you? Please say no!

I do believe the government would do things not in the best interest of the citizens - Ruby Ridge, Waco, Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphillis, etc, etc, etc.

Do I believe someone's spraying chems over the country? Not as portrayed in the popular conspiracy theories. Could well be other experiments/actions occurring or have occurred by releasing materials to the atmophere.

My point was your comments seemed pretty condecending toward those who mistrust the gub'ment, indicating to me you seemed to trust their actions and motives. On the other hand, you seem down on people of faith. Why is your trust of big gub'ment more legitimate that some people's trust in God? Why would someone's mistrust of the government be any less legitimate than your disdain for those of faith?

I'm not terribly religous. Nor do I have much trust in the gub'ment. I believe there are quite a few in that group who would do me and my family harm for their own power or agenda. To assume otherwise is naive.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/waco/graphics/tanks3.jpg

 

[Typhoon1244]

My point was your comments seemed pretty condecending toward those who mistrust the gub'ment, indicating to me you seemed to trust their actions and motives.

Whoa whoa, big guy! Read the post!

I was being condescending toward people who see things they can't explain in the sky (contrails, shadows of contrails, seemingly unmarked aircraft, etc.) and decide they're part of a government plot. That's it.

Do I think certain departments and agencies of our government might do things that are contrary to the good of the public? Absolutely! (Just ask Lee Oswald.)

Bu the "chemtrail conspiracy?" Hogwash.

 

[414Flyer]

ICP = Insane Cloud Posse

 

[dmspilot00]

Originally quoted by Typhoon1244
(Like the) well educated lady who woke up one day to see a low attitude grid shaped group of trails over her house that didn’t go away for hours nor did it fit the explanation of the “norm”. She never forgot it. It spoofed her. It spoofed her daughter and it spoofed her neighbors, just as it is spoofing
everyone else in the country.

Spoof = to hoax.

Maybe he does get it?

I've never heard of such stupidity. "Its 80 degrees out there"? Well duh, it is not 80 degrees all the way up! Most of us were smarter than that when we were 7. And never in my life have I seen a "low-altitude" vapor trail, obviously these people can't judge what is high and what is low.