chemtrails

[enigma]

either that or he's just flamebaiting everyone...which is what i'm starting to think because he's evading questions and really... who can be this ignorant and gullible to believe such far fetched stories.

Flamebait, say it ain't so.

Actually, I think that Denver has stumbled on to the secret Luftwaffe plan to resurrect the Third Reich. It's all of those Krauts at El Paso that are out spreading chemicals all over Texas. If you pay attention, they avoid areas like Fredricksburg, Walburg, New Braunfels, and Ennis because they know that fellow Germans live there. The last time I was out over Texas, I think, just maybe, I may have seen a ME262. They said that it was just a replica built at Meachan five years ago, but I don't believe it. It had to be piloted by Goering's clone from Brazil. What are we to do now? I mean, we finally beat back the Commie threat, then we found ourselves threatened by the Muslims, but they could just be a red herring. If you think about it, George W keeps telling us that the Muslims are peaceful, maybe he really knows but is afraid to tell us that Nazi's are the real threat because he wants to avoid panicking the public. Man, this is getting scary. I think that maybe I'd better move to Idaho. Do they get chemtrails there?

enigma

PS destroy this message as soon as you finish reading it.

 

[jayreynolds]

I challenge denver to document his claim that he took the photo
on his website titled "ChemTail" in Austin, TX on a day when ground temperature was 95F and humidity was 15%.
He needs to supply the date and a link to the archived relative humidity data at the National Weather Service. He won't do so, because he just made it all up. He is a fraud, like most chemmies.
I doubt humidity has been that low in Austin, ever.

I'll bet he doesn't really believe he is being sprayed by chemicals at all, as well. Guess how you can tell a 'true believer' from a faker?

answer: The True Believers actually wear, at minimum, a particulate dust mask at all times. All others are pretenders for one reason or another, as shown by their disregard(and obvious lack of consequences) for protecting themselves from putative "toxins".

Not 1 in 1000 people who claim to believe in chemtrails actually does in truth 'believe', the rest are all fakes.

Here are photos of the two dopey women from Houston who administer the messageboard ChemtrailTrackingUSA which regularly features terrorist threats against aircraft. They are seeking new chemcult members outside a health food store.

The caption reads, "As you will see in the following photographs, plenty of visual aids were provided by the trails being laid overhead throughout the morning."

Note the unprotected smiling faces of these two frauds:

http://users.ev1.net/~seektress/fair2.htm

Jay Reynolds

 

[eddie]

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001954.html

re: Post by scaredforthefuture on 10/29


I didn't know there were "chemtrails" 70 years ago!!!

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: Typhoon1244 #2

See, Denver, the difference between you and me is that I'm willing to do a little research when questions like this come up.

I would be hard pressed to say from looking at the bottom of that jet, in the photo Chem Tail that the jet is a Continental 767 airliner. It appears gray.

Denver...guess what color Continental paints the bellies of its aircraft. Go ahead, guess.

If you said "gray," you're correct.

So your credibility isn't getting any better.

I've seen military jets on Wings and at air shows and on movies that appear gray...

Well that certainly makes you an expert in my book! "I've seen military jets on Wings..." Give us a freakin' break, Denver.

Also, you use the word "assume." Your guessing.

Yes, but my guess is rooted in observation, fact, and logic. I can't be certain that this is a Continental jet because USAirways also paints the underside of their aircraft gray!

So tell us, Denver, if two major U.S. airlines operate aircraft that are identical to the one depicted, why must we assume that this is a military aircraft? Hmm?

What is factual is this. Austin is arid, dry, and hot with typically clear skys and the locals will tell you point blank that jet contrails are not a part of the scenery. Its so hot and dry in Austin that by the beginning of May the grass has browned out or is dead, the creek beds are dry and the animals are thirsty.

From NOAA
Most of the time, the moderating affects of the Gulf of Mexico limit daytime highs [in Austin]; however, they also add to the discomfort with higher humidity. (Emphasis added.)

You beloved NOAA doesn't seem to be supporting your contention that Austin is "arid, dry, and hot," Denver.

If chemical engineers at ConocoPhillips with no background in the chemtrail issue can call what they see a chemical spill in the air, it might not be a bad idea to step off of your plane, open up your mind and look up at the sky.

Denver, step outside this winter when it's down around forty or thirty and exhale broadly. You're going to see a plume of water vapor and CO2 appear behore your eyes. Is it a chemtrail? Or is it a natural process called "condensation?"

If you had even the vaguest understanding of basic Earth sciences, you'd know that fog, contrails, low clouds, and high clouds are one and the same.

Answer the stupid question: if we can see condensation at ground level at temperatures as high as forty or thirty, why do you believe that aircraft contrails can only form at minus forty? (You still haven't explained the pictures we've shown you of contrails appearing behind aircraft on takeoff and landing.)

A pilot pat answer is not a good enough explanation.

Your right. You'r ignorant conjecture is far superior to a pilot's "pat" answer.

 

[HueyPilot]

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You're kidding me. You actually have either a need to embarrass yourself or you're plain ignorant to post on a PILOT bulletin board that you have a leg up on us with identifying aircraft because you saw it on the TV show WINGS! HA!

You remind me of those morons I just got done arguing with (on the same chemtrailcentral.com board) that the Air Force stood down on 9-11 on purpose. One of the items of evidence....that only a handful of the 30-some-odd air force installations on the east coast launched fighters.

Let's see...the conspiracy author listed Bolling AFB (no runway), Hanscom AFB (no runway), Cape Cod AFS (a radar site), McGuire AFB (KC-10 base), Dover AFB (C-5 base) and a host of other non-fighter installations that since they didn't provide F-16s on 9-11, there must have been a stand down! Not to mention that most of those *with* fighters don't sit in an alert posture.

Basically, it's a bunch of guys who get their aviation education from Wings, sitting around making assumptions about US air defense capabilities and procedures. When I tried to explain that if an airplane loses radio contact, it's typically (at least prior to 9/11) assumed they are having electrical problems of some sort, and fighters aren't automatically launched just to go check out a potential NORDO situation. Anyways...back to chemtrails....

 

[Typhoon1244]

I've got another question for you, Denver...not that you'll answer it. You seem to be pretty weak in that area.

I don't know much about petrolium engineering, but I know about combustion. I have frequently flown over and driven past refineries and seen tongues of flame shooting into the sky from these facilities. Now since the petrolium industry has made it very obvious that they are intent on destroying all life on Earth (eg. the Exxon Valdez "accident"), I guess I have to conclude that these "flamethrowers" are part of an evil plot to burn off all the oxygen in the atmosphere. All of us "outsiders" will suffocate while you and your cronies survive in underground shelters, waiting for the atmosphere to restore itself so that you can emerge and take over the globe.

Am I right? Is that what those flames are all about?

Or am I jumping to conclusions due to my ignorance of a very specialized field?


(We've got some nerve, dont we? Thinking we know something about aerodynamics and meteorology, just because we're pilots. Well Denver, you asked what we though about this issue. Satisfied?)

 

[Typhoon1244]

Another evil Middle Eastern carrier has joined the conspiracy...and they're painted gray! Oh no!

 

[dash8driver]

I don't know much about petrolium engineering, but I know about combustion. I have frequently flown over and driven past refineries and seen tongues of flame shooting into the sky from these facilities. Now since the petrolium industry has made it very obvious that they are intent on destroying all life on Earth (eg. the Exxon Valdez "accident"), I guess I have to conclude that these "flamethrowers" are part of an evil plot to burn off all the oxygen in the atmosphere. All of us "outsiders" will suffocate while you and your cronies survive in underground shelters, waiting for the atmosphere to restore itself so that you can emerge and take over the globe.

dern typhoon, now you've screwed us. you've let the cat out of the bag and our fate is sealed. they are going to "liberate" us so the truth of world domination by the petrol refineries wont get out.

wait.. i think i hear the black helos outside my window. no wait, i wouldnt be able to hear them because they are stealth helos...but i know they're out there to get us now that we know! everyone run for your lives, start some websites to alert the public. let the chemkooks know so they can save themselves! before its too late!

bwahahahahahaha.. oh man... must be the chem-exhaust from the illuminati-mobiles spraying my neighborhood.

good nite...dont forget to check for monsters under your bed and in your closet, denver.

 

[siucavflight]

Denver,
I was biting my tounge, but i will say it now. I think that you are stupid.

 

[TXCAP4228]

Denver130

I see that you have chosen not to respond to any of the questions I or many other have posed to you. You are completely unqualified to speak on the subject of meterology.

Go and beleieve what you want. The operative part of this is "GO".

You're a flake. Go away.

 

[Denver130]

Austin time lapse

I know your all crabing at me.
Your thinking how can he possibly think a jet contrail might be a chemtrail in disguise.
Its very simple. Average intelligent citizens are seeing trails that don’t fit the definition of jet contrails.

The best way to illustrate this is the new time lapse link at

http://www.geocities.com/houstonchemtrails/Austin3.html

There’s no way according to jet contrail science that those photos represent normal jet contrails unless you deny jet contrail physics or say that jet contrail exceptions are the norm.

1. The climate is too hot and dry
2. The trails are too low
3. Their too big looking from the ground up.
They should be pencil thin
4. Their lasting TOO LONG – If trails in hot and humid
Houston last 30 seconds, how can they be lasting over
an hour and beyond in hot, dry Austin?

 

[Denver130]

Typhoon1244 #3

You said...

Denver...guess what color Continental paints the bellies of its aircraft. Go ahead, guess.

If you said "gray," you're correct

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To assume that if the jet belly is gray then its a Continental jet is false. You're still guessing. All gray belly jets are not Continental jets.

 

[bigD]

Re: Austin time lapse

There’s no way according to jet contrail science that those photos represent normal jet contrails unless you deny jet contrail physics or say that jet contrail exceptions are the norm.

1. The climate is too hot and dry
2. The trails are too low
3. Their too big looking from the ground up.
They should be pencil thin
4. Their lasting TOO LONG – If trails in hot and humid
Houston last 30 seconds, how can they be lasting over
an hour and beyond in hot, dry Austin?

Okay. You guys are right. He's a troll. I took him seriously initially, but this post seals it for me.

 

[Denver130]

Austin climate

Heres a few sentences from articles I've read on Austin climate.

Around the San Antonio-Austin region, average temperatures surpass 90 during the summer. Rainfall is also moderate in Central and South Texas. Only four months see precipitation above 3 inches. The relative humidity averages 47 percent.

The area’s low humidity, combined with warm days and cool nights, contributes to the year round comfort of the San Antonio-Austin region. Residents enjoy over 300 sunny days each year.
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With an average humidity of 47 percent, would that be high enough to say that figure would fit the term "saturated humidity" which science says you need for jet contrails to form?

By the way, 3 inches of rain over a 4 month span is not a lot of rain to talk about.

So what about the comment that there's a lot of jet contrails now in Austin? There is... just look at ....

http://www.geocities.com/houstonchemtrails/Austin3.html

It looks like train tracks in the sky. Wet drippy, dispersing jet contrails that just don't want to go away.

Question...question...question....turn over the stones...
the truth is out there.....

 

[VivaZapata]

must be the chem-exhaust from the illuminati-mobiles spraying my neighborhood.

"illuminati-mobiles" ROFL. dash8driver, that's the funniest thing I've seen on this board in a long time.


Denver130,

It's hard to believe that you take yourself seriously. Your whacko theories would have high school science students laughing at you.

 

[RJFlyer]

I'm late getting in here, but this is ridiculous...

This guy can't get his OWN facts straight, let alone anyone else's:

originally posted by Denver130
c. Chem Tail: This photo came from Austin, Texas with 15 percent humidity (not 70 percent or saturated humidity) at 95 degrees at noon...

originally posted by Denver130
...Since it was 100 degrees out that particular day when I took the photo...in this arid climate on a normal hot day its between 5 and 10 percent humidity...

originally posted by Denver130
...With an average humidity of 47 percent...

Get your facts (?!) straight before you come in here spouting off this nonsense. As it is, you're making yourself look like a fanatical idiot.

'Nuff said, I'm out.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: Typhoon1244 #3

To assume that if the jet belly is gray then its a Continental jet is false. You're still guessing. All gray belly jets are not Continental jets.

No, they could also be United or USAir.

And since the military doesn't have any of the type pictured...

I also noticed, upon further inspection, that the trails in that picture are forming slightly ahead of the horizontal stabilizer. That would make it impossible for them to be the result of something being sprayed from the tail.

And as for the climate in Austin, assuming that the 47% average you mentioned is uniform at all altitudes (which is highly unlikely), that's plenty of moisture to form contrails at moderate altitudes (24,000 and above).

It's impressive the way you're undermining your own argument, Denver. Please, continue.

 

[TXCAP4228]

Re: Austin time lapse

Its very simple. Average intelligent citizens are seeing trails that don’t fit the definition of jet contrails.

Dude, until a day or two ago you didn't even understand lapse rates. Now you are telling me that you can distinguish between a legit contrail and something else? Exactly how are you qualified to make that determination?

1. The climate is too hot and dry

1) What consistutes a climate that is too hot and dry to form a contrail?
2) Are you aware that conditions aloft may differ dramatically from conditions on the ground?
3) Did you actually read a book to get your climate data or even contrail forming data, or did you get it from somebody else's chem trail website?
4) Isn't it true that what you are really doing is letting someone else do your thinking for you?

2. The trails are too low

1) As we have asked you repeatedly before, how the hell do you know that these contrails are to low? You have no freaking clue.
2) What emprical data have you read that describes altitudes where contraisl form?
3) Why do you think that certain weather can ONLY happen in some small finitie range? You have heard of FOG, right? You do know that its forms close to THE GROUND, right?

3. Their too big looking from the ground up.
They should be pencil thin

1) You do understand that a contrail is nothing more than a cloud, right?
2) You are aware that clouds can grow and expand, right?
3) What would compel you to think that larger contrails are anything other than clouds formed behind a large airplane that have simply expanded or been blown?
4) Why do you think that contrails should be pencil thin? Based on what literature have you made this conclusion?
5) A contrail is a cloud. Clouds, once they form can grow into all shapes and sizes, right?

4. Their lasting TOO LONG – If trails in hot and humid
Houston last 30 seconds, how can they be lasting over
an hour and beyond in hot, dry Austin?

1) Ref all my replies to you under number 1.
2) There is no reason whatsoever that contrails must only last 30 seconds. Where did you get this number? On exactly what scientific data did you base your 30 second rule?
3) Have you investigated the winds and temps aloft?



Denver, here's what I see:

You have never bothered to learn about the basics of weather phenomena. You have never subjected your own arguments to several basic logic tests. You use as your sole source of data a forgone conclusion that the only explanation for what you see is some devious government program.

finally, you disregard any fact or question that would force you to conclude that you are wrong.


Now, one final serious question for you. If you are intelectually honest, could you be convinced that every single one of the contrails you show pictures of really was just that - a contrail? Could you allow yourself to be convinced that there was no devious program?

What would it take to convince you?


If you cannot answer these reasonably, then you're a flake.

 

[jayreynolds]

denver130= liar

I see Denver130 has declined to show proof of his claim that he took his "Chem-Tail" photo on a day in Austin, TX at 95degreesF and 15% relative humidity. If he told the truth about the incident in the first case, a response would have been no problem.

It has become painfully obvious he chose to lie in his claim, and now dissembles. He is toast in so many ways, I cannot count them all.

bye,
Jay Reynolds
Webmaster:
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[Mogus]

Stop reasoning with the monkey, dammit!

 

[Blue Dude]

Re: Austin climate

With an average humidity of 47 percent, would that be high enough to say that figure would fit the term "saturated humidity" which science says you need for jet contrails to form?

That refers to relative humidity at the surface. Since science also says that 100% relative humidity is needed for clouds to form, are you also claiming that Austin never has clouds?

Perhaps it hasn't occurred to you, despite countless attempts to educate you, that the atmosphere changes significantly with altitude, not just temperature, but wind and moisture content as well. Looking straight up from your apartment, you're looking through a column of air that is constantly changing and likely has attributes from more than one weather system.

The weather front you see on TV isn't a straight wall from the surface into space. It is not unusual for fronts to be sloped 100:1 or more. Think about that. A front that's 200 surface miles from you might also be only 10,000 ft over your head. It could be warm and wet at the surface and yet only 2 miles overhead, the air can be relatively cold and dry. And vice versa. Seven miles overhead, the airmass is nothing like the air at the surface.

Maybe, just maybe, we're not all in on the conspiracy, and since we spend a significant amount of time in the atmosphere some of us actually know what we're talking about.

You remind me of a first grader arguing basic arithmetic with a calculus professor. 1 + 1 <> 3, OK?

 

[dash8driver]

all these chemtrail people and other oddball conspiracy theorists are just modern day sun worshipers. they are modern versions of people who believed that the sun, moon, mountain, etc were gods. that the sun traveled through a tunnel to come up on the other side of the earth, and when a storm, earthquake or whatever came or when people got sick or hurt, it was because the gods were angry at them and taking revenge.

those people and these people all suffer from a few common things that drive them to their beliefs. that is fear and a lack of understanding of whats going on around them. it is commonly known and taught that the people of ancient times were victims of this. what makes us think we are free from these things just because its now and we are modern in comparison. odds are, humans are still susceptible to this....they just cant see that they are lost in the same forest that their predecessors were lost in.

the factor that keeps them in denial while others are able to find their way out of the forest is a desire for self importance. to be in on the big mystery that no one else knows. they want to be the arnold schwarzenegger from "total recall", roddy piper from "they live", mel gibson from "conspiracy theory", etc. they want to be the one to discover the "truth" and save the day in the end because they knew all along. when all they need is a good dose of self esteem.

if denver or any of these other people are serious about finding out the truth. they would enroll in some meteorology classes and get some science from the ground up. instead of taking their "facts" and "education" from a nutjob who has written books or articles to "prove" his theory by writing the conclusion first, then writing selective facts to support his conclusion.

 

[TXCAP4228]

Denver, you remind me of trying to reason with a two year old. This is the cliff notes version of everything you've said. (I see the humor, so I'm going to make fun of you a little)

Denver: These are chemtrails, look at my photo's!

Normal people: No, those are CONtrails.

Denver: No they're NOT! Look at them in the photo! They're at 12,000 feet. How can they be contrails at 12,000 feet?!?! Take THAT!

Normal people: Denver, how do you know they're at 12,000 feet? They could be at any altitude.

Denver: They should be pencil thin! Also, the lapse rate shows contrails can't be at 12,000 so they MUST be chem! TAKE THAT!

Normal people: Denver, you understand as much about weather as a three year old understands about brain surgery. By the way, you never answered the queston of how you know those photos show contrails at 12,000.

Denver: NASA says that you have to have -45 degrees to have contrails. That can't be in Houston. Its hot and dry in Texas [Txcap comment here - how stupid is that, anyone who has ever been to Houston knows its the muggiest d@mn place in the world] so there can't be contrails! TAKE THAT!

Normal people: Isn't it odd, then, that there are CLOUDS in Texas. Clouds = Moisture.

Denver: Look at my photos!!!!

Normal people:

 

[Typhoon1244]

Excellent post, dash. By the way...

...Roddy Piper from They Live...

Great flick, man!

"You, you look okay. This one? Real fu_kin' ugly!"

 

[j41driver]

Hey Denver - you don't have a clue what you're talking about so.....


SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!


Thank you.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Ok everybody....the gig is up.....he caught us.

They actually are chemical trails.........He has found out our secret.

ALL PILOTS ARE GASSING YOU. I used to think my gas problem was a localized effect after a large bean burrito, but after Denvers relentless pursuit of the truth he has discovered a secret bigger than the manhatten project! PILOTS ARE FARTING ON THE POPULATION OF AMERICA EVERYDAY!!!!!!!!!!!

Afterall we have to pressurize the aircraft somehow, and we all know that airliners smell a little funny anyhow!

Some pilots have also stepped it up a notch and begun to remove their shoes during flight also.

By the way.......we all got together and caused the sun flares last week too!!!!!!! We needed the increased solar activity to really kick up the effect of our intestinal fragrance.

Hey Denver you also stumbled on to another secret........The reason we all wear dark suits......it is a protective garment in case our air-s#&t separater fails!!! UPS pilots are still in training and have had several messy mishaps with their A/S Sep. valves so that is the reason they wear the brown uniform.

By the way, the earth really is flat

Bumble bees are actually alien spacecraft

Chickens don't lay eggs, fairys stuff them up there.

The moon is made of old charcoal grill dust.

I am a polar bear with very good typing skills.

Cats used to run the planet.

Dogs took over and now run the planet.

They are watching you all the time Denver...........The web cam is posted on the pilots only webboard. Quit scratching yourself!

 

[EagleRJ]

Wow! Real live crazy people! Thanks for the link- that was enlightening.

It gives you pause that these people occasionally fly the airlines, too. I wonder what they have to say about magnetometers and the TSA's wanding and ETD testing?

 

[MaverickGoose]

It's always fun to watch chemmies visit message forums and try to debate the reality of chemtrails. Their own message boards have long since been cleansed of the 'nonbelievers' and the general populace on these sites are quite happy to buy into the hoax promoters' stories.

I got into this whole deal after someone called my squadron one day and accused our F-16s of spraying them. After a little online research, I found a few message boards and tried to "be nice" to these folks and correct the zillion untruths that were being stated. Call me a masochist, but I put up with personal attacks and threats by these people for almost two years on their boards as I tried to inject some truth into the discussion. I finally snapped after 9/11 when these kooks started posting their "George W. orchestrated 9/11 and the military let him" conspiracy theories. Now, I just like to make fun of them.

Nearly all of the 'nonbelievers' who were banned from these other site all post now on my message board (as do a few of the people here under different names.) Stop by and visit every once in a while......we're always laughing at the latest comedic chemmie acts!

http://pub31.ezboard.com/bcontrailsandchemtrails22884

Anyway, great job fellow disnformation agents! Mr. Big will be giving us all great Christmas bonuses this year.

Mav

 

[E1FAIL]

I/ve got a couple questions for you Denver if you are still lurking about. What kind of planes are doing this? Civilian or Military? What kind of systems do they use to disburse the chemicals, i.e., are there added components to the aircraft? How many aircraft are taking part in this diabolical operation?

 

[Typhoon1244]

Denver130, I'm getting a vibe here...

We had a guy show up on this forum about six months ago. He identified himself as a twenty-something British Airways Concorde first officer. The trouble was that his description of his career progression didn't make sense, and he was totally unable to answer any operational questions about the Concorde. He finally confessed to one of the moderators that he was a sixteen year old student pilot with a vivid imagination. He came here to try to feel like part of the aviation community. (If he'd only been honest, we'd have welcomed him...but that's another story.)

Now you, Denver, are demonstrating a level of ignorance about Earth science that is simply unbelievable in someone with a college education. In fact, you sound like a seventh-grade student. You're an engineer with ConocoPhillips? Not likely. I like to think that corporation wouldn't employ adults with such staggering neuroses and/or limited intellect.

So tell us, who are you, really? What grade are you in? Where are you from (since you know so little about Texas climate)? What do you hope to gain by bothering us with this "chemtrail" nonsense?