Chautauqua Outlook

[I.P. Freley]

How can you respond to that???

Why would I bother? Clearly I don't understand the argument.

 

[I.P. Freley]

Republic Airway Holdings will buy MDA. Not only the aircraft but the certificate as well. Remember, they still don't have one for Republic. It will be easier to buy MDA's. It would solve the American Connection concerning the 6 month timeframe to convert the 170's to Republic.

Considering that Wexford hasn't "bought" a certificate they already own (Shuttle America) for RAH, I don't see why you'd think they would buy someone else's.

I have very good reason to believe that this is already in the works in case US liquidates.

I guess we'll see. Word is that the Republic certificate will be ready in time, but you know how "facts" like that tend to not be so factual at all.

 

[KingAirer]

How can you respond to that???

IP, guess you didnt see what I was talking about. How can you argue with some one who says "YOUR an Idiot"...Clearly it is "You're" not YOUR. I really could care less about these things, but when calling someone an idiot, you should check these things!

 

[I.P. Freley]

IP, guess you didnt see what I was talking about. How can you argue with some one who says "YOUR an Idiot"...Clearly it is "You're" not YOUR. I really could care less about these things, but when calling someone an idiot, you should check these things!

I guess the sarcasm intended in my response to dumb-dumb's assessment of my intelligence didn't translate well to the screen, Kingairer.

Trust me, I noticed. Thus... Why would I bother responding?

 

[GogglesPisano]

Busted!

What I do have a problem is that this person fails to include more than half of the other regionals that are paid the same or less than CHQ pilots. Shall I name them??? TSA, Indy AIR, Jet BLue(190 rates) Mid Atlantic, COEX Shall I continue.

By what measurement are you comparable to or higher paid than FlyI pilots?

50 seat rates are the same or, in most cases, few bucks higher in both seats at FlyI.

Check before you post, please.

http://www.airlinepilotpay.com/independence/independence.htm

http://www.airlinepilotpay.com/chautauqua/chautauqua.htm

 

[TWAER]

I did look buddy. I make the same as a Indy capt. and the Airbus pay is a joke as is our 170 pay. Please look before YOU post. I said same or less... 25 cents an hour in not that much more.............

 

[350DRIVER]

C, she is a f/a on the 170 IND. F.o/F.a pay is probably the same.

carry on

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[storminpilot]

Bull**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**e, Republic Airway Holdings will buy MDA. Not only the aircraft but the certificate as well. Remember, they still don't have one for Republic. It will be easier to buy MDA's. It would solve the American Connection concerning the 6 month timeframe to convert the 170's to Republic.

I have very good reason to believe that this is already in the works in case US liquidates.

MDA doesn't have a certificate. They fly under USAirways ticket.

 

[I.P. Freley]

MDA doesn't have a certificate. They fly under USAirways ticket.

Ah, yes, thus their "USAIR" call sign. Somehow that one slipped by me... Another reason, I guess, why RAH won't buy buying MDA, huh?

In the event USAir liquidates, they can still buy the airplanes, if they really wanted 'em...

Unless someone else were to bid higher, of course. Not like THAT would ever happen...

 

[C210drvr]

I did a 10 year pay compairison on CHQ vs. Comair. Upgrade at CHQ is about a year and 9 months. What is it running at Comair? 6 years? Based on those figures two pilots that got hired a year and 9 months ago, one at CHQ and one at Comair, the CHQ guy is a captain now. Over a ten year period the CHQ pilot will earn $60,000 more.

That number doesn't include CHQ's Christmas bonus. On average I think most people got a check for $1000 as a Christmas bonus. 1st year was around $250 2nd was about $1000 and it went on up to some people getting $1750. So, if you add that in then over the same ten year period CHQ pilots will make about $70,000 more than a Comair pilot.

So now the question becomes who really makes more? I don't think anyone "intends" to spend more than ten years at a regional.


C210

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

I did a 10 year pay compairison on CHQ vs. Comair. Upgrade at CHQ is about a year and 9 months. What is it running at Comair? 6 years? Based on those figures two pilots that got hired a year and 9 months ago, one at CHQ and one at Comair, the CHQ guy is a captain now. Over a ten year period the CHQ pilot will earn $60,000 more.

That number doesn't include CHQ's Christmas bonus. On average I think most people got a check for $1000 as a Christmas bonus. 1st year was around $250 2nd was about $1000 and it went on up to some people getting $1750. So, if you add that in then over the same ten year period CHQ pilots will make about $70,000 more than a Comair pilot.

So now the question becomes who really makes more? I don't think anyone "intends" to spend more than ten years at a regional.


C210

Talk about comparing apples to oranges. This is how you would justify those pathetic Captain rates? Gemme a break.

 

[low-key]

pretty sure that MDA is going to be tacked on to US Airways certificate and it will all be the same as AAA.

 

[FDJ2]

Talk about comparing apples to oranges. This is how you would justify those pathetic Captain rates? Gemme a break.

Talk about the kettle calling the stove black, AFELLOW, do you ever wonder why DAL outsourced to you in the first place? I guess it was o.k. when you were the cheap ho, but now that there is a company, regional airline of the year I believe, that can deliver a superior product, the E170, at a competive rate you feel threatened. Good thing for you that the DAL pilots were able to secure for you more DCI scope then you ever did for yourself.

 

[Axel]

Talk about the kettle calling the stove black, AFELLOW, do you ever wonder why DAL outsourced to you in the first place? I guess it was o.k. when you were the cheap ho, but now that there is a company, regional airline of the year I believe, that can deliver a superior product, the E170, at a competive rate you feel threatened. Good thing for you that the DAL pilots were able to secure for you more DCI scope then you ever did for yourself.

Big fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite 'em

Little fleas have lesser fleas, and on ad infinitum

 

[sweptback]

Talk about the kettle calling the stove black, AFELLOW, do you ever wonder why DAL outsourced to you in the first place? I guess it was o.k. when you were the cheap ho, but now that there is a company, regional airline of the year I believe, that can deliver a superior product, the E170, at a competive rate you feel threatened. Good thing for you that the DAL pilots were able to secure for you more DCI scope then you ever did for yourself.

This argument keeps getting tossed around, but it's kind of apples to oranges. Back when Comair and ASA started feeding Delta, they fed using planes that mainline (management or pilots, either one) did not want to fly, and did not have a pay rate for. That's the important part.

So the regionals, while being "cheaper" than mainline, weren't really undercutting mainline because there was no 30-seat turboprop or 50-seat jet payrate to compare to.

I agree that 70-seat flying gets tricky because the turboprops and 50-seat jets have always had limitations that prevented them from effectively replacing mainline, however the current 70-seaters are pretty close to covering 100-seat flying with a few extra round trips thrown in.

Now, we have regionals that compete with other regionals product-for-product. This in itself isn't a bad thing, as America thrives on a free market economy. The problem is that there are a limited amount of these airplanes to go around, so every time one company works willingly for less, other companies have to follow in step or be prepared to justify their price differential.

It boggles my mind that the first two operators of the 170 (an airplane that weighs more and is certified to hold more people than the 700, both metrics of which are used in determining pilot pay) accepted pay much lower than the industry-high 700 payscale. Selling out for growth only makes sense while the growth continues. I'm thankful that Delta has limits on 70 seaters, and I was disappointed to hear that the limits were relaxed, even though it was possibly beneficial to my company. Maybe I'm off-base but I think there are some things that are more important than a quick upgrade, namely a next job to look forward to after the upgrade.

To those that say "we'll fix our payrates in the next contract," I have one thing to ask you (ignoring the fact that a lot of damage will be done during the duration of your contract). What are you going to value as more important the next negotiation round, payrates, or quality of life improvements to keep you in step with the other airlines' contracts? Because basically what you're doing, whether you know it or not, is setting yourself up to always have an inferior contract. Getting that extra day off next time around, or fixing your broken reserve system (that seemed like a good idea at the time of your contract until your company read between the lines and shredded it to pieces) is going to cost you payrates... payrates that you don't have room to negotiate with. Good luck.