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pocket aces said:This is comical, these guys have no clue what is going on.
pocket aces said:The IBT had every opportunity to give a fair integration to the MDA pilots. Your selfish group offered us this.....
- 50% of the current position staffed at MDA
- A Staple of all pilots
- PayCut of about $5/hr for all positions
- Sign a 2 year enforcable 15,000 training contract......... for pilots that have more time in the 170 than any one in the world (exactly whos training who)
- Shared hotel rooms for those in training.
If you want to call that a welcome I dont want you on my jumpseat either! you are getting 28 additional aircraft, with additional growth in your company. And the the 250 pilots will gladly return to mainline when thier number is called (probably within 2 years). you all can take that offer and shove it up your collective cans.....its ALL or NONE!!!!!!!
flyinglow said:I think it would be a great irony if Wexford decided to cash out and sold out to an ALPA carrier. Then the ALPA group would really put it to the shootpublic group.
flyinglow said:I think it would be a great irony if Wexford decided to cash out and sold out to an ALPA carrier. Then the ALPA group would really put it to the shootpublic group.
NDM said:I want to say a few things and discuss possible outcomes. First of all, this if first hand information. If ALPA does not by chance win this arbitration against USAirways then J4J will have precedence. If they win then the following will probably occur:
The IBT contract states that all mergers and/or acquisitions will be handled per the RLA and Allegheny/Mohawk LPP's. This includes a referendum and vote upon Union Representation. The Union Representation decision (I believe) is the first in a series of things to take place. After representation, contract amalgamation and seniority integration would take place. The previous two paragraphs apply provided that ALPA/MAA are successful in their greivance against USAirways.
Those are the facts, now lets look at the rationale provided ALPA wins the greivance.
The CHQ/REP/S5 seniority list has 1400 pilots. MAA has approx. 300 pilots. A vote would occur combining those two groups for 1700 pilots voting on whether the IBT or ALPA would become the representing Union.
After this the Allegheny/Mohawk provision would be put in place. The Seniority Integration committee from CHQ (the combined seniority list of CHQ/REP/S5 is still called the Chautauqua Pilots' System Seniority List)would meet with their counterparts from MAA in the effort of Negotiating a Combined seniority list. Should this become a stalemate then both parties would select a neutral arbitrator using a strike off method.
The arbitrator would then decide a "fair and equitable" integration.
Back in May we (IBT) tried to have a discussion with ALPA regarding this transaction:
I was part of the contigent that was to negotiate with ALPA. We initially offered ALPA 100% of the jobs which comes with the MAA aircraft. The next 25 airplanes were to be staffed of of the CHQ list until the 50% ratio was reached under J4J. We approached ALPA. Our IBT representatives met with Bill Pollock. This included our attorney Gene Sowell and EC Chairman Gordon Moore.
AAA MEC Chairman Pollock responded to our offer saying they wanted in-base 1 for 1 integration a la PSA. However, they would only insist on 50% of the jobs per J4J for the first 25 airplanes provided they got in-base integration.
Our Committee responded by a counter-proposal which included our former AND pay longevity. ALPA responded by asking for straight MAA DOH.
We felt that at that time ALPA continuously tried to avoid the provisions which agreed to in J4J which was voted on by their membership. In order to change those allowances under our IBT contract a vote would have to be sent out. Anything which would change the IBT contract MUST be voted on by its membership. We felt we did not have the support of our pilot group to change our contract to allow in-base seniority integration or straight DOH.
It was at this time that ALPA threatened us with the greivance against USAirways. Using that tone we backed away from negotiations. Our job is to look out for the best interests of our pilot group (CHQ) and this is what we did.
Now saying all of this I do feel for the MAA plight. At no time during the negotiations with AAA ALPA was a MAA representative (pilot) present. The IBT was not sinister toward MAA and OFFERED 100% of the jobs to the current MAA pilots. I have said this on another thread. Someone reputted those facts but never backed them up with the evidence he said he would provide and the thread died. I have no reason to hide or lie and I post my name behind what I say.
Now, we hope that as many MAA guys as possible will come over. We will welcome them and I think they will be a great addition to our pilot group. Their experience in this industry and aircraft will enhance all of us. I am hoping we can help them as well (probably help them stand back up from being bent over for so long).
I know a few of the MAA pilots have been led into believing the IBT blew off MAA. I am here to tell you that is definitely not true. I have no reason to lie. It really does not make a difference at this point.
I am the Former Strike CHairman and Pilot Rep, yet I have been called a scab numerous times in the past couple of months. If you are venting, please re-read this and consider who you should be venting too.
Ladies and Gentlemen from MAA good luck. I hope a year from now this is all behind us.
Sincerely,
Dan Sneddon