Chautaqua/Republic info

[FlyinPiker]

Its ALL OR NONE!

Good Luck Pocket Aces!! Nice to see you guys standing strong!

 

[Stick Man]

The IBT had every opportunity to give a fair integration to the MDA pilots. Your selfish group offered us this.....

- 50% of the current position staffed at MDA
- A Staple of all pilots
- PayCut of about $5/hr for all positions
- Sign a 2 year enforcable 15,000 training contract......... for pilots that have more time in the 170 than any one in the world (exactly whos training who)
- Shared hotel rooms for those in training.

If you want to call that a welcome I dont want you on my jumpseat either! you are getting 28 additional aircraft, with additional growth in your company. And the the 250 pilots will gladly return to mainline when thier number is called (probably within 2 years). you all can take that offer and shove it up your collective cans.....its ALL or NONE!!!!!!!

You're right - those terms suck . . . I wonder what kind of seniority they'd have in an Unemployment line.

 

[I.P. Freley]

USAirways has called every MDA pilot to offer them a position at repugnet

If you're going to resort to third-grade behavior and call names (man, WHAT could be wittier than taking a company name and turning it into a slur!!), try learning how to SPELL that word.

 

[Traumahawk]

The IBT had every opportunity to give a fair integration to the MDA pilots. Your selfish group offered us this.....

- 50% of the current position staffed at MDA
- A Staple of all pilots
- PayCut of about $5/hr for all positions
- Sign a 2 year enforcable 15,000 training contract......... for pilots that have more time in the 170 than any one in the world (exactly whos training who)
- Shared hotel rooms for those in training.

If you want to call that a welcome I dont want you on my jumpseat either!

A lot of us feel your pain. Over the last 9 months I've become good friends with quite a few of the J4Jers here at CHQ, and a few at MDA. I have a tremendous respect for many of them, as most of us do.

The fact of the matter is, most of them don't agree with the way some in your group are acting towards ours. You were a division of Airways, not a certificated carrier. Instead of parking airplanes forcing u onto the street, this time they sold them. Don't take it out on this pilot group.

By the way, I don't remember Brian Bedford calling me up and asking me, or any other CHQ pilot about the MDA situation.

Denying the jumpseat to any of us is just completely uncalled for. Especially from the many veterans of this industry that make up MDA. I'm glad to know that a lot of your group does not harbour the attitudes displayed here.

T-Hawk

 

[AirCanon04]

Are they still hiring for the 170? If so what do I have to do inorder for Rosa to call me, short of non-reving out there..?? Is there something to do that helps people get noticed?

 

[h25b]

The IBT had every opportunity to give a fair integration to the MDA pilots. Your selfish group offered us this.....

- 50% of the current position staffed at MDA
- A Staple of all pilots
- PayCut of about $5/hr for all positions
- Sign a 2 year enforcable 15,000 training contract......... for pilots that have more time in the 170 than any one in the world (exactly whos training who)
- Shared hotel rooms for those in training.

If you want to call that a welcome I dont want you on my jumpseat either! you are getting 28 additional aircraft, with additional growth in your company. And the the 250 pilots will gladly return to mainline when thier number is called (probably within 2 years). you all can take that offer and shove it up your collective cans.....its ALL or NONE!!!!!!!

If I were you I'd be planning on "NONE." We all feel for your situation but asking another pilot to give up a single seniority number is a bit over the top. No pilot that I know of would just willingly do it without it being ordered from arbitration. I wonder what you would prefer if the shoe were on the other foot.

You just seem to think you're somehow special. If you get offered a position at another company, you are subject to the terms the company offers. The training contract and shared hotel rooms I believe are standard for new hires at CHQ. Why in the world would you presume to be above this ??? If you don't like it, take your high road to the unemployment office... You seem to want to be able to just transfer on over to Republic and operate under your current contract. It doesn't work that way pal... Lots of luck to you, you're going to need it.

 

[House_X]

The IBT had every opportunity to give a fair integration to the MDA pilots. Your selfish group offered us this.....

- 50% of the current position staffed at MDA
- A Staple of all pilots
- PayCut of about $5/hr for all positions
- Sign a 2 year enforcable 15,000 training contract......... for pilots that have more time in the 170 than any one in the world (exactly whos training who)
- Shared hotel rooms for those in training.

If you want to call that a welcome I dont want you on my jumpseat either! you are getting 28 additional aircraft, with additional growth in your company. And the the 250 pilots will gladly return to mainline when thier number is called (probably within 2 years). you all can take that offer and shove it up your collective cans.....its ALL or NONE!!!!!!!

Your employer, US AIRWAYS, SOLD YOU GUYS OUT! US Air wanted to get rid of the 170 leases and the pilots. From what I read from the lawsuit, US Air lied to your pilot group regarding the operating certificate (i.e. never existed). Republic offers you a job and you file a lawsuit against them as well? This feud is between US Air and MDA...keep Republic out of it!!!!

 

[FR8mastr]

You seem to want to be able to just transfer on over to Republic and operate under your current contract. It doesn't work that way pal... Lots of luck to you, you're going to need it.

Yes, that is exactly what we believe the contract says pal. the arbitator will have the final say. Maybe we will lose and you can gloat and be happy knowing your company helped put another 1000 people out of work. I sure hope the senior at Riddle enjoys his quick upgrade time. In the meantime the pilots at the division are standing tall and trying to enforce our contract to stop the outsourcing that is destroying the piloting profession. and if we lose good luck to us all as we will all need it. Dont believe me look at CMR, and NW for the latest examples.

ALL or NONE!!!

 

[flyinglow]

When are Shitpublic guys going to realize that it is exactly what their company is doing that is destroying a once proud profession.

 

[OldManPilot]

IF the MDA pilots win the arbitration they will be mergered at REP/CHQ/S5 on the Pilot seniority list (per the Allegheny/Mohawk)... plus they MUST give up any recall rights at U. They will also be required to become members of the IBT747. ALPA will be a thing of the past for these pilots. Its not gonna be a j4j type thing where you keep any recall... You will be working for a new certificate as just another pilot.

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it!

 

[Corbon]

Shootpublic? That seems to be a bit of a reach for an "insult" but whatever. I'm astonished to hear that my company is making aviation history and single-handedly "destroying a once proud profession." Of course let's not blame ALPA, who allowed the RJ's and E-jets to be flown at the regional level initially (Thanks for that by the way. Now I get to sit at the regionals for probably a really long time, wheeeeee!). Don't blame US Airways, who furloughed many, cut pensions, rewrote your contract, slashed your pay, and now is selling your airplanes to RAH.
Yeah, we're the problem.

 

[h25b]

Yes, that is exactly what we believe the contract says pal. the arbitator will have the final say. Maybe we will lose and you can gloat and be happy knowing your company helped put another 1000 people out of work. I sure hope the senior at Riddle enjoys his quick upgrade time. In the meantime the pilots at the division are standing tall and trying to enforce our contract to stop the outsourcing that is destroying the piloting profession. and if we lose good luck to us all as we will all need it. Dont believe me look at CMR, and NW for the latest examples.

ALL or NONE!!!

Bla, bla, bla... You guys have always been one battle behind the times, check out what OldManPilot is talking about... Either way the arbitrator comes out, you're hosed...

How Republic has become your enemy is anyone's guess. You have no one to thank other than ALPA for your mess. By the way, thanks for scoping out jets to the regionals.. That was a good call. Of course though, your type loves to forget about that sly move. Again, one battle behind the times...

 

[I.P. Freley]

Don't blame US Airways, who furloughed many, cut pensions, rewrote your contract, slashed your pay, and now is selling your airplanes to RAH.
Yeah, we're the problem.

Seems like just the most recent example of pointing fingers at the wrong people...

ExpressJet people have pointed fingers at CommutAir and Colgan for "stealing their flying", not Continental, who farmed out the flying.

ComAir and (formerly) ASA have pointed fingers at Chautauqua, TSA and Mesa for "stealing their flying", not Delta, who farmed out the flying.

American Eagle has pointed fingers at TSA and CHQ for "stealing their flying", not at American Airlines, who farmed out the flying.

In a bit of a stretch, Air Wis and (formerly) ACA had pointed fingers at Mesa, TSA, Shuttle America, CHQ and others for "stealing their flying", when they were themselves contractors for United Airlines, who farmed out the flying.

PDT, ALG, PSA and (soon to be formerly) MDA have pointed fingers at CommutAir, Colgan, Mesa, Shuttle America, TSA, Air Midwest (among many more) for "stealing their flying", not USAirways, who farmed out the flying.

Here's what I see of fr8master and Pocket Ace's argument: It's not ALPA's myopic view of the small jets, the decades of mismanagement at USAirways is not the problem, nor is their emerging from bankruptcy before they were truly ready, nor is the competition on the east coast that has battered them half to death, nor is it the economy, nor is it the price of fuel, nor is it a generally mediocre product from a passenger standpoint when on mainline aircraft... it's Chautauqua's fault. Republic should take ALL the pilots when they aren't even buying a company, just airplanes, and somehow give them BETTER terms than the CURRENT pilots at the company... And if they don't, then it's REPUBLIC'S fault for "putting 1000 people out of work". Now THAT is just plain weird...

Go ahead... go to an arbitrator. Ask the guys and gals at Shuttle America's prop side how that worked out...

 

[FR8mastr]

I really wish some of you guys would actually read whats going on here rather than read some snippet from a board member and then decide the whole thing without any further thought

OLD Man pilot You sir are wrong, if the division pilots win all they keep ALPA as the bargaining agent and recall. I know "you heard" but you are mis informed. If we partially lose in some kind of comprimise you might be correct but only the Arbitrator can make that call.

IP have you not noticed the Billion dollar lawsuit against all the parties in which you claim we dont blame? I guess not.

and yes IP we will ask the arbitator, what do you expect us to do, just keep bending over and taking it?

 

[jaybird]

IP have you not noticed the Billion dollar lawsuit against all the parties in which you claim we dont blame? I guess not.

You can sue anyone for anything. I think I might sue you for being such an idiot.

 

[I.P. Freley]

IP have you not noticed the Billion dollar lawsuit against all the parties in which you claim we dont blame? I guess not.

and yes IP we will ask the arbitator, what do you expect us to do, just keep bending over and taking it?

Nope, I don't know anything about your billion dollar lawsuit. Please enlighten me.

And my point about the arbitration is that you may end up in the same lovely situation as the SA people. Probably worse.

 

[91100 100 set]

LearLove must be out on a trip, it's been 20-some-odd hours and he hasn't contributed.

 

[pocket aces]

I really wish some of you guys would actually read whats going on here rather than read some snippet from a board member and then decide the whole thing without any further thought

OLD Man pilot You sir are wrong, if the division pilots win all they keep ALPA as the bargaining agent and recall. I know "you heard" but you are mis informed. If we partially lose in some kind of comprimise you might be correct but only the Arbitrator can make that call.

IP have you not noticed the Billion dollar lawsuit against all the parties in which you claim we dont blame? I guess not.

and yes IP we will ask the arbitator, what do you expect us to do, just keep bending over and taking it?

This is comical, these guys have no clue what is going on.

 

[pocket aces]

Go read the 15 page thread on USAviation.com and maybe you guys can put all this together.

 

[jetfo]

Chautauqua QOL/QOT

The training contract and shared hotel rooms I believe are standard for new hires at CHQ.

Pretty pathetic contract guys.

Shared hotel rooms?!? What is this, summer camp?

How cheap can you get?

Or do they just want the new crewmembers to get well aquainted.

They must really want you to study together.

I guess IBT doesn't do too well in contract negotiations.

Even Mesa provides single occupancy rooms.


Do they continue this practice on the line?

And a training contract for qualified 121 pilots!

They must really be worried about people leaving. Maybe there is a reason for that. I used to think Chautauqua was a decent place to work. Now I wonder. This doesn't speak well for them.