Challenger 350 officially announced for Netjets...

[squonk]

Surely better, but both still more capable than the Garmin set-up in the P300 you referenced (no multiscan radar or random hold capability for example). The Garmin's (1000/3000) roots come from the piston world (pretty colors/presentation/synthetic vision) versus PL which was specifically designed for business jet usage.

The problem is NJ wont come off the hip and spring for those nice bells and whistles.

 

[tomgoodman]

"Bombardier expects the super-midsize jet to reach 41,000 feet in 18 minutes, surpassing the manufacturer?s current leader, the Learjet 60."

In 1971 an IP was showing us new UPT students the T-38: "This airplane set a record -- brake release to 40,000 feet in 96 seconds."
(He exaggerated slightly; it was 12,000 meters/39,372 feet.).

 

[208starcheck]

In 1971 an IP was showing us new UPT students the T-38: "This airplane set a record -- brake release to 40,000 feet in 96 seconds."
(He exaggerated slightly; it was 12,000 meters/39,372 feet.).

Load up that T-38 with: 9 pax, 6 leather pax seats, a couch (yes a f'ing couch), coffee pots, an ice chest, TV's for every pax, golf clubs, enough fuel to fly more then 1,093 mile (max t38 range) and then yes, this is a similar comparison.

T38
Max takeoff weight 12,700 lb
Max Range 1093

CL 350
max fuel load 14,100 lbs
Max Range 3,200

 

[jonjuan]

Load up that T-38 with: 9 pax, 6 leather pax seats, a couch (yes a f'ing couch), coffee pots, an ice chest, TV's for every pax, golf clubs, enough fuel to fly more then 1,093 mile (max t38 range) and then yes, this is a similar comparison.

T38
Max takeoff weight 12,700 lb
Max Range 1093

CL 350
max fuel load 14,100 lbs
Max Range 3,200

The space shuttle can carry a whole heck of a lot more than that and further and has a bit more range than 3,200. Time to 40,000? About 40 seconds.

 

[hammer2]

The space shuttle can carry a whole heck of a lot more than that and further and has a bit more range than 3,200. Time to 40,000? About 40 seconds.

Yeah, but it has a little trouble getting out of HXD in the summer...

 

[brokeflyer]

The space shuttle can carry a whole heck of a lot more than that and further and has a bit more range than 3,200. Time to 40,000? About 40 seconds.

yeah, but you gotta get whatever you wanna haul down to florida first.

 

[johnsonrod]

Boy, did this thread go down hill.............

 

[vixin]

I must have missed the announcement where Obama decided to restart the space program. Free cell phones for the poor is more important. Hard to move anything when they are in museums.

 

[JJET44]

Travolta was one of the test pilots. Oh, now that makes sense

They wanted to prove that even a monkey could fly it!!

 

[ghostrider64]

Just visited Gulfstream this week. They had a G280 fly nonstop with two pax, Luton to Chicago!

G280 is coming out with auto throttles, STANDARD.

350 may be some people's dream, but the 280 is a totally new beast that's going to make the bombardier folks green with envy.

 

[CALRepublic]

Just visited Gulfstream this week. They had a G280 fly nonstop with two pax, Luton to Chicago!

G280 is coming out with auto throttles, STANDARD.

350 may be some people's dream, but the 280 is a totally new beast that's going to make the bombardier folks green with envy.

That might be but Gulfstream didn't give Sokol the deal he wanted, Gulfstream felt they're gonna be all right without pain in the ars Netjets

He went to Montreal and asked for the moon... Bombardier probably said " he'll yeah, whatever you want, just buy a $h*t load of airplanes"

Also, the CL350 might not be able to do Luton-Chicago, but the CL605 can do that with ease

 

[gutshotdraw]

That might be but Gulfstream didn't give Sokol the deal he wanted, Gulfstream felt they're gonna be all right without pain in the ars Netjets

Correct. Gulfstream was asked by NJ to submit an RFP for a G280 program and Savannah said "No, thank you." Direct quote from the guy who knows.

He went to Montreal and asked for the moon... Bombardier probably said " he'll yeah, whatever you want, just buy a $h*t load of airplanes"

Also correct as I understand it.

Also, the CL350 might not be able to do Luton-Chicago, but the CL605 can do that with ease

With ease? Ah, noooooo. With nobody in back, nice cool temps over the pond and no wind, maybe.

The 280 is a Gulfstream and performs like it. Very impressive airplane. Its Galaxy progenitor (AKA G200), not so much.

 

[300pilot]

I flew the 300 30nm less than the Luton-Chicago leg (7+30) and landed with enough fuel to fly another hour plus! So the 350 should be able to fly that leg at long range cruise with ease providing the headwinds aren't ridiculous.

 

[jtf]

Maybe the reliability of the G200s that are already on property had something to do with the choice of 350 over the 280 on top of the price. While the capabilities of the 280 appear very nice, the previous version (the 200) most definitely didn't have the famous Gulfstream reliability while the 300 has quite the stellar reliability record. While I would personally prefer an airframe that breaks more so I can have some down time on the road, the company definitely takes this kind of thing into consideration when choosing the fleet now.

 

[Heavy Set]

Just saw this picture of the CL350 cockpit mock-up:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Bomb...69343/L/&sid=4984b0e11c53d19e3b98058903b3777c

Not bad with the synthetic vision!