Central Air crash in Michigan?

[RJPilott]

Yep, we had many pilots from Ameriflight, Airnet and others fly for us (Independence Air). I agree, if you're gonna do it, get some turbine from a respectable cargo carrier that takes pride in its pilots by giving them the proper training (i suppose Airnet and Ameriflight pilots are pvssies too since they train properly?) . Now, our 600TT pilots are flying for places like Continental, Jetblue, SWA, UPS, FEX,.. .etc etc....

Let me ask you, do you plan on flying for a 121 carrier? Or a respectable 135 operator? If so, and they offer more than 5-9 days of training and IOE (Initial operating experience), full motion sims with failures, fires, smoke in cabin, gear collapse, Instrument failures... etc etc...are you going to call them "pvssies"? What if you get called for a FEX interview? (will never happen IMO). Are you going to call your Traning scheduler a pvssy for scheduling you more than 9 days hire to line? LOL

I cant count how many cowboys like you we love to waive to as you leave the training center.


So, where did you go with your AC500 PIC?


"Biatch"? lol.... yep... i used that word too... as a senior in college. Make sure to put it on your resume. Maybe one day you'll work your way out of your tweens.

 

[RJPilott]

PS, do your research. 8 yr FO's?

 

[Capt. JD]

Still a pu$$y Biatch RJPilot...

Independence Air, yeah that a really winner just like you Pu$$y...
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/content/view/52/17/
Looks like a sinking ship to me, haha

Most junior CRJ Capt. hired:Aug 1998

I am sorry dick, 7 years... What the fvck do I care I rather gluee feathers to my arms & jump out of my C-310 then fly for ACA - Independence Air or what ever the fvck there called this week...

Yep, we had many pilots from Ameriflight, Airnet and others fly for us (Independence Air). I agree, if you're gonna do it, get some turbine. Now, our 600TT pilots are flying for places like Continental, Jetblue, SWA, UPS, FEX,.. .etc etc....


So, where did you go with your AC500 PIC?


"Biatch"? lol.... yep... i used that word too... as a senior in college. Make sure to put it on your resume. Maybe one day you'll work your way out of your tweens.

 

[RJPilott]

Yes, its a tough business. UAL, USAir, DAL, NWAC, FLYI, AWA, all bankrupt.

But you wanna know the best part? Many of us are getting hired at places like SWA, Jetblue, Continental, Virgin, JAL, ... not to mention good corporate outfits and fractionals like NJA. So... how do you compete with all these pilots losing their jobs? I guess the carriers listed above only like pu$$y.....



You are a laughing stock "Capt" JD. And with the industry getting worse each day.... who do you think they will hire first... the Independence Air 121 PIC... or you..... calling the 121 community..... pu$$y's..... with your bravado 310 time...

If your resume came across my desk... i'd question why you were still in a 310 at 2000TT and toss it to the side.


I have a new word for you to learn..... "loser".

 

[RJPilott]

BTW, i dont know where you get your info... but the most junior FO was hired Sept 00. Now they are furloughing to 7/00. Within another month, i believe FLYI will be a memory. Then you will have that many more pilots to compete with. Your 310 PIC piston should hold up well to more than 300 Airbus type rated pilots and 12 yr CRJ Capts...... huh?

 

[Capt. JD]

You are a laughing stock "Capt" JD. And with the industry getting worse each day.... who do you think they will hire first... the Independence Air 121 PIC... or you..... calling the 121 community..... pu$$y's..... with your bravado 310 time...

If your resume came across my desk... i'd question why you were still in a 310 at 2000TT and toss it to the side.

I have a new word for you to learn..... "loser".

I ain't callin the 121 community pu$$ys... I am callin you one.

2100TT, 350 multi doesn't justify me leaving my present job... especially if I can get a chance, 1-2 years, at one of my company's CE-550, to make Co-Capt "typed" in CE-550...

 

[RJPilott]

You're calling me a pu$$y based on 121 training i posted earlier. Every 121 carrier has that type of training. "Holding your hand flying an approach to mins" is what i believe you said. Welcome to CRM and Green on Green limitations. You dont like it? You think its too "pu$$y"-like?


Lets face it bud, you wont make it 121. You wont fit in this "pu$$y" operation. Keep crossing your fingers for that Citation. If not, im sure CASW will have a macho job for you. Your signature says it all....

 

[Capt. JD]

You're calling me a pu$$y based on 121 training i posted earlier. Every 121 carrier has that type of training. "Holding your hand flying an approach to mins" is what i believe you said. Welcome to CRM and Green on Green limitations. You dont like it? You think its too "pu$$y"-like?


Lets face it bud, you wont make it 121. You wont fit in this "pu$$y" operation. Keep crossing your fingers for that Citation. If not, im sure CASW will have a macho job for you. Your signature says it all....

WTF are you doing in the CARGO forum if the Regional is were it at, huh? Many of your 121 peers flew FAR 135 freight in piston twins, Cowboy Style, as you call it. Just because you were to much of a pu$$y don't go pissing all over it.

What if your not 121 your not safe? Your a fuckin idiot man... If nothing better comes along as far as Turbine goes then I'll go to a regional. Why the fvck do you think there hiring with a Commercial: 1000tt & 200 multi, because there the best place to be?

 

[RJPilott]

"Many of your 121 peers flew FAR 135 freight in piston twins, Cowboy Style, as you call it."

Exactly my point. They went from flying 135 single pilot freight at 1500/mo... to flying right seat CRJ at 1500-2000/mo with a Capt that had less TT.

As far as me being a pu$$y. I was flying Single pilot 135 PIC at 800 hours in and out of LGA, EWR, JFK, BOS.. etc. I didnt get hired at ACA till 1800 hours after being a chief pilot for a well known corporation with Single pilot TP's in the Northeast.


However, im sure your first response will be, "No one can fly PIC 135 at 800TT". So, before you make more of an ass out of yourself. Think about it, then respond with, "I know what you are saying... dick.. im not stupid.".

 

[RJPilott]

What if your not 121 your not safe? Your a Frickin idiot man... If nothing better comes along as far as Turbine goes then I'll go to a regional. Why the fvck do you think there hiring with a Commercial: 1000tt & 200 multi, because there the best place to be?

121 and being safe? Actually, there are many 91/135 operators that are safe out there. Read. I believe i even mentioned Airnet and Ameriflight. But hey, dont hold back now on your name calling.


As far as you getting turbine and going to a regional? I think you have already tried and no one will call you (you dont have to respond.. we know). Could it be the professional attitude you display "biatch"?...lol... Its ok... you'll grow up one of these days....

BTW... "tween" is not a typo. lol

 

[jbDC9]

Holy crap RJPilott, shut your yap and give it a rest already. Forget about who's calling who a pvssy.. the impression we're getting from your posts is that you're just an arrogant blowhard a$$hole.

Shut the hell up and go back to your high and mighty RJ or Airbus forums. Please.

 

[RJPilott]

“That’s my baby brother. That’s my son, my baby. That’s everything for me,” the victim’s brother, Salim Polis, says of his family’s grief.

“We want to know why, why the owner of the company let the pilot fly in this kind of weather. Until now, we don't have the answer,” said Salim Polis.

But when they saw the crash scene, they realized there was very little anybody could do for the pilot.

“The fuel had come out of the wings and was on the trees, so the trees were burning from the bottom to the tops and there was just a big fireball,” Hart said.

Polis, an immigrant from Iraq, had recently earned his flight instructor’s license.

He was delivering small packages and bundles of checks when the accident happened.


“My brother, he was an angel,” said Salim Polis. “He's very nice guy. He's honest and a hard worker.”

Suhel worked for the Central Air Southwest Company, where no one was available for comment Friday night.

The Federal Aviation Administration is now in charge of investigating the crash.

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_322230758.html







I'll keep quiet now.................

 

[Nightowl]

As PIC you are responsible for ALL aspects of your flight.

I flew at CAS for 8 months and it was the most that I have ever learned in aviation. It was a great experience flying for JT and MB.

It always a sad day when a fellow aviatior passes away. My prayers are with his family

 

[Photoflight]

“That’s my baby brother. That’s my son, my baby. That’s everything for me,” the victim’s brother, Salim Polis, says of his family’s grief.

“We want to know why, why the owner of the company let the pilot fly in this kind of weather. Until now, we don't have the answer,” said Salim Polis.

But when they saw the crash scene, they realized there was very little anybody could do for the pilot.

“The fuel had come out of the wings and was on the trees, so the trees were burning from the bottom to the tops and there was just a big fireball,” Hart said.

Polis, an immigrant from Iraq, had recently earned his flight instructor’s license.

He was delivering small packages and bundles of checks when the accident happened.


“My brother, he was an angel,” said Salim Polis. “He's very nice guy. He's honest and a hard worker.”

Suhel worked for the Central Air Southwest Company, where no one was available for comment Friday night.

The Federal Aviation Administration is now in charge of investigating the crash.

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_322230758.html







I'll keep quiet now.................

OH my god dude were doin it man, were almost there 410 DUDE!!!!!!!!

 

[Capt. JD]

ReJect Pilot...

Let me ask you, do you plan on flying for a 121 carrier? Or a respectable 135 operator? If so, and they offer more than 5-9 days of training and IOE (Initial operating experience), full motion sims with failures, fires, smoke in cabin, gear collapse, Instrument failures... etc etc...are you going to call them "pvssies"? What if you get called for a FEX interview? (will never happen IMO). Are you going to call your Traning scheduler a pvssy for scheduling you more than 9 days hire to line? LOL

I cant count how many cowboys like you we love to waive to as you leave the training center.

So, where did you go with your AC500 PIC?

As far as me being a pu$$y. I was flying Single pilot 135 PIC at 800 hours in and out of LGA, EWR, JFK, BOS.. etc. I didnt get hired at ACA till 1800 hours after being a chief pilot for a well known corporation with Single pilot TP's in the Northeast.

Fly FAR 121? Hopefully not at a Regional Airline...
I already fly charter & freight at a respectable FAR 135 operator...
I have nothing against good training... you just don't have the balls to do this type flying...
Never flew AC500...

I don't think you flew FAR 135 freight, period... You sound like an ACADEMY pilot, maybe.... RAA, TAB express, etc... With your 800tt/ bought multi...

GOD DAMN, is this guy full of $hit or himself or both, what the difference?

 

[NoPax]

He didn't fly single pilot IFR 135 with 800TT...

What else do you expect a grieving family to say.

Airnet and Ameriflight, although perhaps the best in the 135 industry, have had their share of accidents too.

I don't have the same career aspirations as you RJPilott. I'm not under some illusion that I'll get a call from FedEX, UPS Continental, etc., because I haven't applied, don't meet their hirining minimums.

If anyone ever whipped out a portable DVD player while on my flightdeck I'd slap them silly - what part of the operations manual does that fall under? You are flying an airplane with 50 lives + on it, what part of 'irresponsible' don't you understand.

What does flying 135 for a year get you - you asked - more PIC time than a 7 year ACA/FLYi FO.

Why won't you answer my questions...

 

[big pimpn']

RJ pilot, I think you need to familiarize yourself with the135 PIC requirements and give us an honest answer as to how you built your flight time. You were not flying 135 PIC at 800 hours.

Pilots are required to have the Part 135 IFR PIC minimums per 135.243(c):

• Commercial pilot certificate with an instrument rating
• 1200 Hours Total
• 500 Hours Cross Country - point to point
• 100 Hours Night
• 75 Hours Instrument total - up to 25 in a simulator allowed
• 50 Hours Instrument in flight - simulated (hood) or actual

 

[big pimpn']

Don't even try and say you were flying VFR ferry flights for a 135 operator.

 

[big pimpn']

P.S. How did you become a Chief Pilot without the required 3 years experience needed?

1. Check that the Certificate Holder's manual includes instructions and information that, in the case of a person becoming a Chief Pilot for the first time ever, have at least 3 years experience, within the past 6 years, as pilot in command of a large airplane operated under part 121 or part 135 of this chapter, if the certificate holder operates large airplanes. If the certificate holder uses only small airplanes in its operation, the experience may be obtained in either large or small airplanes.
Sources: 119.67(b)(1); 121.135(a)(1)
Interfaces: 2.1.1(AW); 2.1.1(OP)

 

[han_solo]

Didn't Central Air used to fly Learjets back in the old days? What happened to them?

 

[EatSleepFly]

Hey RJpilott... did a freight dog sleep with your old lady or something?

Give it a rest.

 

[Capt. JD]

As far as you getting turbine and going to a regional? I think you have already tried and no one will call you (you dont have to respond.. we know). Could it be the professional attitude you display "biatch"?...lol... Its ok... you'll grow up one of these days....

BTW... "tween" is not a typo. lol

The only regional I sent my resume to was Mesaba last spring 2005. They wanted to interview me but I could not make it because the flight they put me on got canceled. Thank GOD... My predecessor at my current job went to Mesaba in June 05' with 2500tt, 1200 multi (multi was in the C-310R flying FAR 135 IFR as PIC freight & pax)... My company offered him Co-Capt. in the CE-550's, but like you he had RJ eyes. Looks like he will be jobless by the end of this year!

Yeah, every ones laughing there ass off at your joke, ReJect Pilot...

So please explain how you flew freight FAR 135 IFR-PIC... I am hanging on your ever word!

 

[NoPax]

RJPilott hasn't answered my questions since I began posting, however, I am civil enough to gime him answers to his loaded, snide questions.

I don't think he's a pilot for Independance Air. I think he knows someone who is perhaps, but this guy has serious problems.

Can anyone say - 350driver????

 

[RJPilott]

There are many single engine 135 VFR operators. Block Island has/had one. East Hampton airlines had/has an A36 VFR 135... Shoreline Aviation i believe also has/had 135 Single engine VFR seaplanes. There are many pilots flying 135 VFR with less than 135 IFR mins (I think Flight Express does it too?). I never said i was flying 135 IFR at 800TT. I said i flew 135 single pilot at 800TT. Mins for 135 PIC VFR is 750TT if i remember correctly. Before that i instructed from about 270TT to 800 with some right seat baron time flying the 91 legs. I pumped gas and towed airplanes making connections throughout my training. I got my private at age 18, paid 500 bucks for my instrument rating through our college program, 15 hours with a CFII and 25 hours with a safety pilot. Paid a little over 3000 for my Commercial/multi/CFI II and MEI combined. Took most of my checkrides with the Feds cause i couldnt afford a DE. I flew right seat in a B200 in the northeast for about 200 hours in between my single pilot 135 trips. Once i hit 1200TT, I flew a PA-31-350 sh'tbox 135 PIC IFR for Casinos down to Atlantic City. Once i hit about 1400TT i was hired for a well known corporation (not charter pimpman, ie. part 91) to be Chief pilot for their Turboprop flight dept. I told the boss i'd love the job but i dont think he will get me insured at such low time. He said if i wanted the job, he would get me insured.. and he did. SWA moved into town and they dismantled the flight dept and they started to fly SWA. I got hired at ACA at 1800TT. I didnt want to go regional either, but at the time ACA was one of the fastest growing with the fastest upgrade. So i gave it a shot. Do i recommend going to a regional over flying freight? No. Do i recommend going to a regional over flying for CASW? You betcha. I'd also recommend NJA, Amerflight, Airnet over CASW.

Hope this clears up some of your questions.

 

[8AF]

There are many single engine 135 VFR operators. Block Island has/had one. East Hampton airlines had/has an A36 VFR 135... Shoreline Aviation i believe also has/had 135 Single engine VFR seaplanes. There are many pilots flying 135 VFR with less than 135 IFR mins (I think Flight Express does it too?). I never said i was flying 135 IFR at 800TT. I said i flew 135 single pilot at 800TT. Mins for 135 PIC VFR is 750TT if i remember correctly.

135 VFR mins is 500TT, 100XC and 25Night. I did that for a year before flying boxes IFR.
You can't remember that?

 

[RJPilott]

I ram-dumped that and alot of other info that i dont need to know anymore a long time ago. But thanks for the correction.

 

[RJPilott]

What does flying 135 for a year get you - you asked - more PIC time than a 7 year ACA/FLYi FO.

Why won't you answer my questions...

Most, if not all, of those 7 year FO's at Independence Air have probably a good 3-4 years (I would even say 5-6 years) 121 Turbine PIC and perhaps 2-3 type ratings (some with 4) from ACA.

 

[ubpilot]

I was a CASW pilot based in GRR for almost one year, great learning expericnce. That job made me a fairly good hands on pilot. I respect all the freight dogs, because I believe that a 600TT RJ pilot certainly can't handle the GRR winter flying. As a part 121 baby jet pilot, I really enjoy the high tech equipment, traveling privilege, company benefits, and slightly more pay than CASW. In my opinion, I think there are more career opportunities for regional piots than CASW pilots in the long run. All I want to say to the CASW pilots is be safe during the winter, try something else such as part 135 jet cargo operators or part 121 regional airlines after your 6 month contract. Now of days, a crap load of light piston twin time really doen't mean much any more.

 

[greygoose]

Didn't Central Air used to fly Learjets back in the old days? What happened to them?

I had heard that also, rumor was the owner was on a trip and the copilot didn't agree with going (weather, maintenanc?) He left anyways without a copilot, FAA investigated and pulled the certificate.
Don't know if its true or not, only something I heard.

 

[ubpilot]

Well, the Learjet rumor I have heard was that the owner took off without a Learjet type ratting by himself. The co-pilot reported him to FAA. Of course this is only a rumor, not a fact, but most of the CASW pilots know this rumor.