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Continental, United Pilots Seek To End Outsourcing To Regional Airlines
By Doug Cameron
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
HOUSTON (Dow Jones)-Pilots at Continental Airlines Inc. (CAL) and UAL Corp.'s (UAUA) United Airlines want to end outsourcing of flying to regional partners following their planned merger, a move likely to shake up the industry's already turbulent labor relations.
The companies' pilots aim to finalize a new joint contract by the end of the year, and this week proposed bringing all flying in-house over a period of years following a merger that would create the world's largest airline by revenue.
U.S. network airlines have outsourced large parts of their domestic networks to an array of regional airlines over the past 20 years in a bid to cut costs, though the amount is capped by "scope" clauses in their pilots' collective bargaining agreements.
Jay Pierce, head of Continental's pilots' union, expects the proposal to receive a cool reception from management, but said mainline company pilots can fly regional jets just as cheaply following years of contract concessions.
"We put it on the table [on Wednesday]," said Pierce in an interview at the union's Houston office. "It's a proposition we believe will not be readily acceptable [to management]."
Continental Airlines has one of the industry's most restrictive scope clauses. Only mainline pilots can fly jets with more than 50 seats, and the airline contracts ExpressJet Holdings Inc. (XJT) to fly more than 200 smaller Embraer aircraft on its behalf.
United has more flexible work practices that enable it to fly more than 150 70-seat regional jets. Rising fuel costs have made 50-seat jets less economic, while the emergence of new aircraft in the 70 to 130-seat range have made airlines look to loosen the restrictions of existing scope clauses.
The proposal from the Continental and United pilots includes an initial cap on outsourcing, then a move away from the practice over what Pierce described as "multiple years".
Continental declined comment.
Management throughout the industry has become stuck in a mindset where they feel they have to subcontract more flying, said Pierce.
U.S. network airlines have already carved out almost all of their regional flying units. AMR Corp. (AMR) is working on plans that could lead to a sale or spin-off of its American Eagle business, and Delta Air Lines Inc. (DAL) recently sold two of its three remaining regional operations.
Pierce said he is confident a new pilots' deal can be hammered out with Continental and United by year-end, in line with the airlines' merger schedule, though a decision will be taken Oct. 12 whether enough progress has been made to continue the current fast pace of negotiations.
The airlines and the pilots have learned lessons from previous mergers, especially the combination of America West to form an enlarged US Airways Group Inc. (LCC), where labor issues remain unresolved after five years. Pilots at Delta and Northwest Airlines forged a joint deal before the two carriers merged in 2008.
"Being third is good," said Pierce. He said one of the thorniest issues - merging the airlines' pilot seniority lists - won't be tackled until a new contract is agreed.
Other areas include furloughs. United has more than 1,400 pilots on furlough while Continental has 147, all of whom Pierce expects to be called back by year-end. The transition deal calls for furloughed United pilots to be called back to whichever airline requires them before any fresh hiring.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...27-706936.html


Gotta give credit where credit is due. Nice job releasing something to the press before the company was able to. I also like to see the use of terminology that the "public" and "investors" can understand. As a furloughee, I do not want anybody to give an inch on scope, leave me on the street as long as necessary to ensure I have a career to come back to and not just a job.
 
Let's also not forget the outsourcing of wide body international flying to an alter-ego carrier.


It has been quiet around this alter-ego carrier. How many airplanes do they have now? What's the pay like? And how would that carrier be affected after the merger?
 
Jay Pierce, head of Continental's pilots' union, expects the proposal to receive a cool reception from management, but said mainline company pilots can fly regional jets just as cheaply following years of contract concessions.

Boo-yah!! That's somethin' worth braggin about and pretty much assures the continued downward spiral. So now what, regionals will have to take concessions to compete with mainline contracts?

ALPO officially sucks.
 
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Not stupid at all. He's making a convincing argument to management (since their main concern is cost). First worry about getting those planes over here, then get the rates up. Managements been doing that to pilots for years. Getting us to agree to something, like scope relief, pbs, etc and once the door is open, abusing us with it. I like this move a lot and think he's saying the right things in his public statements.
 
. . . Jay Pierce, head of Continental's pilots' union, expects the proposal to receive a cool reception from management . . .

Understatement of the year!! Good starting point though, and I am glad they put it in play publicly. Any time we can possibly get discussion going on the bait and switch that is contract flying, it is a good thing.

rr
 
I'm LOVING IT. Give us back OUR FLYING from the likes of express jet, BLOWJET, ASA, SKYWEST, Colgan, ********************aqua, Republic, SHuttle America, Mesa, and any of the other "Vendors" that enjoy our routes at our expense. Popcorn is popping this is going to be a great show!
 
It has been quiet around this alter-ego carrier. How many airplanes do they have now? What's the pay like? And how would that carrier be affected after the merger?

That is equally dangerous on an international front. It is being worked on trust me. Enough with the outsourcing B ull $h t
 
Now is definitely the time to go after this kind of agreement. You will never have public support for this kind of proposal like you do right now in the wake of the Colgan crash. ALPA and APA need to put out a joint PR campaign to keep up the heat on Management. The public should know when they step aboard any Airline that they have Mainline Flight Crews with the experience that goes along with it flying them to their destination. Don't give in on this, if CAL/UAL are successful in getting this through, this will finally be a game changer in the right direction for this industry.
 

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