CAL System Bid is out

[bizicmo]

cal and alaska

 

[taxicabdriver]

Why would CAL want Alaska? LAX gates? I would think that UAL would be a better fit to get more international routes, thats where the money is at these days.

 

[bizicmo]

Grow the international routes and they provide the domestic feed. Why get mix up with ual?

 

[taxicabdriver]

I thought they had a lot of routes to Asia/Pacific that CAL would find very attractive.

 

[IAHERJ]

Even with a merger with United, we would still have to hire for the forseeable future. It will take a while to merge the groups and they are hiring as well so I think hiring on both ends would continue until the furlough. Kidding..... Kind of,,,,


IAHERJ

 

[motch]

I would bet that a CAL/UAL Merger would cause an immediate halt to the hiring at UAL with a slowdown at CAL.

CAL still has growth planned.. don't believe UAL has any aircraft coming as of yet.

Fences would go up but lets be honest, there would be a reduction in combined aircraft with downsizing and readjustments of schedules.
If such as merger were to happen, I could see the Airbuses at UAL go away at some point in the future. But that may be it.

Honestly, I don't believe these mergers will happen in the long run. Alot of talk to mess with the stock prices. Don't see how Pilot Groups and other employees will figure to merge peacefully and efficiently... Something that will also play a factor when it comes down to the actual merger going through.

 

[tmac3333]

so CLE has less 737 FO's on the new bid than there are FO's. So that means some get kicked out? That would really suck as my friend just got CLE FINALLY and would now get kicked out before he even got there (feb 1st) Do they just ship him back to EWR?

No. They are not losing any FOs. The numbers on the system bid are only for active pilots, so the actual number is greater due to pilots on leave of absences (MIL, sick, family, etc.) Cleveland is gaining 2 captains if I remember correctly and 0 change in FOs. Although the next system bid will probably increase both CAs and FOs in CLE with the anticipated extra CLE 737 service forecast for the middle of '09. He could get shipped back to EWR though if a lot of more senior people get displaced back to CLE 737 FO and bump him out.

 

[Hutchman]

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If such as merger were to happen, I could see the Airbuses at UAL go away at some point in the future. But that may be it.

UAL ------737-300/-500: 94
CAL -----737-300/-500: 111

I think the Airbus stays. UAL has already talked of parking the older 737's if gas stays high and Cal is already selling theirs off.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

And the reduction of 205 -300/-500 between UAL and CAL would be replaced by EMB170/190's at half the pay rates without any benefits.

 

[Ex737Driver]

All of CAL's -300's and -500's are being replaced with new -800 and -900ER's as well as more aircraft coming in than going out.

 

[Bigoober]

Obviously, all would be conjecture, but what kind of integration of seniority lists do you see with a merger of the two airlines?

 

[calfo]

4 to 1 CAL to UAL to hire date of 1/1/2000, then straight staple of UAL.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

It would be percent in company on each side. Furloughs would not count as time on property with the whole "career expectations". Since they were gone, their expectations were less. It'll almost go straight to arbitrator. Hopefully everyone can be mature about it, allowing everyone to take a little pinch, and not try to throw SHIIt like calfo.

 

[catIIIc]

Pure % based with at least 5-10 year fences around bases and equipment. If you are 50% with your current company then you will be 50% on the combined list but fenced into your airlines fleet and bases. Lets try to keep this civil.

 

[Ben Franklin]

Are any of you factoring the potential for a merger in your bidding decision?

Are you expecting a merger to be signed, sealed and delivered before the next system bid in August?

Sincerely,

B. Franklin