CAL giving up on EWR?

[densoo]

There is talk of major shrinkage in Newark. And not of the Costanza kind.

 

[WolfManPack]

Don't think so!

There is talk of major shrinkage in Newark. And not of the Costanza kind.

Don't think so...EWR is the cash cow for CAL.

While they (CAL mngmnt) may be reducing the pilots based in EWR, they are not reducing departures / arrivals out of EWR from what I can understand. This seems to be an attempt to disperse the power base of the EWR LC 170 (you know....those hot heads up there in EWR).

It never ceases to amaze me the extent management will go to to manipulate the pilot group. All at the cost of screwing with peoples (read families) lives just so they can try to leverage during contract negotiations.

I don't see how they sleep at night.

 

[Paul R. Smith]

System bid is out?...No bulletin announcing it?

I can't find it.

310, 178 less positions?

A new mitigation LOA?

Nothing confirmed.

Nothing

 

[100/hour/5y]

CAL SUCKS.... I can't wait until SWA, Delta, FedEx and NetJets starts hiring again... Biggest joke of a operation... Been here 4 years and the place gets cheaper each day, while the senior pilots bitch that they can't fly 90 hours + lines anymore because of the union

 

[Amish RakeFight]

I don't see how they sleep at night.

Like ALL corporate machines, they're pychopaths. It's an inherent trait within the design due to the agendas and goals required to help sustain and flourish the machine. Here's an excellent documentary on how they harm society with no true liability:

Please see this documentary:
http://www.thecorporation.com/


Can also be watched on YouTube (in parts):
http://www.thecorporation.com/index.cfm?page_id=46


.

 

[NavinRJohnson]

It's official with the system bid out this morning. 146 total reductions, with the bulk out of NYC. For the 737, there are 136 NYC FO positions and 118 NYC CA positions gone. NYC 757 is hit as well, just not as severe.

Gains in IAH, and a smattering of GUM spots. CLE stays roughly the same with 2 vacancies.

I wouldn't read too much into mgm't playing the numbers game for voting. I've met plenty of pissed off IAH pilots who want to see their life improve, and the cross mingling of bases that will occur with this might help with communication between bases.

I wish them luck with this reduction though--Can't wait to see what Babbitt proposes and then everything will change again... They shouldn't even consider this bid until more is known. That is true stupidity.

Navin

 

[T Bone]

298 total positions lost in EWR, Can't wait till Fred is in EWR this week to try and explain this.

 

[BrickTop]

Where the ******************** do these corksuckers get off cutting that many postions when EVERY********************ING flight is oversold enough to fill 2 more airplanes. Somone needs to smash these ********************bags in the jaw with a pipe wrench and leave them with no medical attention. IM ********************ING SICK OF THIS BULL********************!!!!!!!!

 

[Paul R. Smith]

Total reduction of 146. Does not take mitigation into account(if any).


The previous 2008 furlough had a reduction of 185. 147 furloughed on that one. Mitigation was "supposedly" taken into account.

What happened to the 4 ata 757s and the 2 777s supposedly coming online in 2010?

 

[NavinRJohnson]

It's a huge loss for Newark. Losing over 20 percent seniority myself, and worse yet I'm concerned we might put more people out of work...

I'm wondering why they're shifting so much flying down to IAH... It can't be just because the base is more 'compliant'. There has to be other reasons beside that. It'll balloon the FO's on the 737 to around 700 pilots down in IAH.

Methinks this might help with a merger. Something is up. I smell a rat. Ideas anyone?

 

[Super Monkey]

Yeah...I tink I smellz a rat here too Johnny...

An IAD base might pick up the slack nicely in EWR and IAH might be picking up the slack for DIA! Hmmmm???

-#140 from the bottom

 

[Eagle757shark]

Guys I think the issue is the Port Authority is raising fees in and out of Newark. I think that may be what all the airlines are adjusting to. The rumor mill at AirTran is that they may be pulling out of Newark because of the increase in fees to operate in and out of Newark. This may be what Continental is reacting to as well the upcoming higher fees.

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

Guys I think the issue is the Port Authority is raising fees in and out of Newark. I think that may be what all the airlines are adjusting to. The rumor mill at AirTran is that they may be pulling out of Newark because of the increase in fees to operate in and out of Newark. This may be what Continental is reacting to as well the upcoming higher fees.

To my knowledge there will be no reduction in flying out of EWR, just a shift of pilots to IAH. MGT is doing this to dilute the power base of LEC 170, not realizing their stupidity that they're just spreading the militancy around to the other bases. I live a half hour from EWR and now I'm going to have to commute to work? This somewhat malcontent EWR pilot is about to become an ABSOLUTELY FUKKING LIVID IAH or CLE pilot, and I'm not the only one! FUPM!!! :angryfire

 

[Bob Dylan]

MGT is doing this to dilute the power base of LEC 170,

Yeah, I'm sure that's it.

It's amazing how blind to the obvious some people are.

 

[tie1on]

attempting to shift the powerbase. good luck. another mgt blunder.

 

[nimtz]

Guys I think the issue is the Port Authority is raising fees in and out of Newark. I think that may be what all the airlines are adjusting to. The rumor mill at AirTran is that they may be pulling out of Newark because of the increase in fees to operate in and out of Newark. This may be what Continental is reacting to as well the upcoming higher fees.

If that were the case then CAL should start by kicking out every single Dash 8. Instead they are mulling increasing utilization of Colgan. After riding on them a few times, I totally understand why the biz traveler is leaving us behind. Well done Larry, well f*cking done...

 

[Ex737Driver]

Yeah, I'm sure that's it.

It's amazing how blind to the obvious some people are.

Please................enlighten.

 

[Bob Dylan]

Please................enlighten.

United - Continental merger being worked out right in front of your face.

Don't be looking in the wrong direction while the giant dildo is about to be shoved up your a$$.

I honestly can't believe what I read on here from some CAL pilots sometimes. The management there pushes you guys around like no airline management I have ever seen.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

I honestly can't believe what I read on here from some CAL pilots sometimes. The management there pushes you guys around like no airline management I have ever seen.

CAL pilots are a disgrace. They must be enlighted the hard way as to what an airline pilot is suppose to be like as they have never learned the basics of unionism in the past 25 years.

 

[taxicabdriver]

Any idea to why the bid is 10-08?? Shouldn't it be 10-09? And it said the # of active pilots on the 737iah was 589...PBS has the number listed as 689 with the G-line at 546....A little confused....

 

[IAHERJ]

Company claims they took into account all the displacements to EWR and EWR being the most junior base where our most junior have had to commute to(a lot of those commuters being from IAH) when they realigned the staffing. This will supposedly help out those on the bottom end of the seniority list from having to commute to EWR to sit reserve. Just passing along what I've heard. On the 757/767, I fly a lot of legs between IAH and EWR and we almost always have 2 cockpit jumpseaters joining us up front.

 

[Kugelblitz]

CAL pilots are a disgrace. They must be enlighted the hard way as to what an airline pilot is suppose to be like as they have never learned the basics of unionism in the past 25 years.

Unionism has been so very effective these last 25 years.

 

[Eagle757shark]

AirTran, Continental swapping slots at 3 airports
By HARRY R. WEBER (AP) – 2 hours ago
ATLANTA — Discount carrier AirTran Airways plans to stop flying to and from Newark, N.J., and will give its takeoff and landing slots there to Continental Airlines in exchange for Continental slots at airports in Washington and New York, where AirTran faces increased competition from Southwest Airlines, officials said.
An AirTran executive told employees in a memo Tuesday obtained by The Associated Press that the carrier's decision to cease operations effective Oct. 25 at Newark-Liberty International Airport will allow it to expand its operations at Washington Reagan National Airport and New York's LaGuardia Airport.
Southwest began flying to LaGuardia in June and would gain entry to National Airport in Washington if its $170 million bid to buy the parent of Frontier Airlines succeeds. A bankruptcy court auction to sell Frontier is set for Thursday.
The swap is for slots only, and no money is expected to change hands, according to two people familiar with the deal who spoke to AP on condition of anonymity because details have not been publicly released.
The officials said that AirTran will give its 10 slots, its single gate and a jetway at Newark to Continental. In exchange, the people said, Continental will give AirTran four slots at LaGuardia and six slots at the Washington airport.
Continental spokeswoman Mary Clark declined to comment.
Low-cost carrier AirTran, a unit of Orlando, Fla.-based AirTran Holdings Inc., plans to add new service to Indianapolis from LaGuardia as a result of its slot pickup from Houston-based Continental Airlines Inc.
AirTran's departure from Newark will come after serving the market for 10 years.
Kevin Healy, senior vice president of marketing and planning for AirTran, said in a memo Tuesday to employees that the carrier's employees at the Newark airport will have the opportunity to work at other airports once AirTran ceases operations at Newark.
"Consolidating our operations at both Reagan National and New York's LaGuardia creates a much more efficient operation and also significantly improves our presence in both of these leading airports," Healy said.
AirTran said the new flights it will add will better connect important markets in the Midwest and South to business and government centers and play an important role in its overall network structure.
Southwest's increased bid Monday to take Frontier out of bankruptcy protection is well above the $108.8 million offered by regional jet operator Republic Airways Holdings Inc.
Buying Frontier would give Southwest service in several new cities and take out one of its two big competitors in Denver.
Southwest has said it would keep all of Frontier's current markets, including Atlanta, one of the last big markets where Southwest doesn't currently fly. It would phase out Frontier's Airbus fleet in favor of Southwest's fleet of Boeing 737s over about two years.
A bankruptcy judge had already approved Republic's bid. But the bankruptcy process allows other bidders to step forward. That's what Dallas-based Southwest Airlines Co. did on July 30, initially offering a nonbinding bid of $113.6 million. That was basically a placeholder to give it the chance to look at Frontier's books and decide whether it wanted to submit a binding bid.
Denver-based Frontier has been operating under Chapter 11 protection since April 2008.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Unionism has been so very effective these last 25 years.

Sticking together and telling management where to go and when often works. UAL has a twice renegoiated contract which is still better in every respect than CAL's. Scheduling, Duty Rigs, Vacation, Training, Reserve, Retirement, Benefits, etc. Every section is better at not only UAL, but also DAL, NWA, AMR, and SWA.

CAL pilots will never get what they don't know because they are not unionists. CAL pilots have no understanding of what works. 25 years of fractionating, splicing and beatings have worked.

CAL pilots will do anything management asks and continue to tell themselves nothing will work. They are defeated before they try.

 

[whatitdoing?]

Sticking together and telling management where to go and when often works. UAL has a twice renegoiated contract which is still better in every respect than CAL's. Scheduling, Duty Rigs, Vacation, Training, Reserve, Retirement, Benefits, etc. Every section is better at not only UAL, but also DAL, NWA, AMR, and SWA.

CAL pilots will never get what they don't know because they are not unionists. CAL pilots have no understanding of what works. 25 years of fractionating, splicing and beatings have worked.

CAL pilots will do anything management asks and continue to tell themselves nothing will work. They are defeated before they try.

YAWN!!!!!

 

[SFR]

Yeah, but I doubt I will lose my seat here in the IAH......booyah!!

 

[contrail67]

Probably has some to do with the STAR alliance thing too...there is shifting going on everywhere...almost looks like a new stage is being set. Get Ready.

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

Sticking together and telling management where to go and when often works. UAL has a twice renegoiated contract which is still better in every respect than CAL's. Scheduling, Duty Rigs, Vacation, Training, Reserve, Retirement, Benefits, etc. Every section is better at not only UAL, but also DAL, NWA, AMR, and SWA.

CAL pilots will never get what they don't know because they are not unionists. CAL pilots have no understanding of what works. 25 years of fractionating, splicing and beatings have worked.

CAL pilots will do anything management asks and continue to tell themselves nothing will work. They are defeated before they try.

How about scope??? Think before you say the word "every"!!!

 

[densoo]

Meanwhile, Delta establishes an LGA hub.

 

[100/hour/5y]

Scope???? Maybe, but it will not save us from Colgan's Q400....