BRAC Rumors

[Purpledog]

Relax Pete, Columbus and Vance are on every BRAC proposal list that comes out. In fact, most of those bases are the same ones that are always on the proposed list. The proposed list gets floated up and then the politics begin. This oughta be an interesting round, though.

I think I heard that this time it is going to be different than the last. I thought I heard that the list will stick regardless of which senior senator it pisses off.

There is no way they would close down 2 UPT bases. To be honest, I'd like to see them try and close just one. There is no way they could combine UPT bases and keep the same number of pilots graduating each year.

This doesn't have to make sense, these are politicians not aviators. If they close Meridian that leaves Kingsville with 4 training squadrons and not enough airspace for two. It's real fun being in the pattern with 12 students let alone 24. It will be interesting non the less.

 

[plattsburgher]

I think it would be tough to move pilot training bases because there isn't a place to go that has established MOAS and airspace. It would be possible to make new space, but tough. Bases with depots and missle fields would, I think, be tough to move too. AMC bases without other missions would be easy targets for a BRAC.

 

[Purpledog]

Our problem was always the pattern. You get 3 divisions showing up at the same time on a hazy summer day and it got ugly. Luckily the tower was pretty good at correcting students turning Xwind/breaking inside their interval.

 

[stonewall]

I think it would be tough to move pilot training bases because there isn't a place to go that has established MOAS and airspace. It would be possible to make new space, but tough. Bases with depots and missle fields would, I think, be tough to move too. AMC bases without other missions would be easy targets for a BRAC.

Man, it would be awful tough to get new training areas anywhere. We're losing ground rapidly as it is, and we fight tooth and nail to keep what we have. Sky Harbor swallowed Willie in PHX, and the city itself is slapping Luke around. I think Luke is one F-16 onto a High School (there's one pretty much right off the departure end) from shutting down and moving to Gila Bend. Eglin is a constant battle over approach/dept corridors and the two air-to-ground ranges to the east and west as the Ft Walton Beach area booms. We could get new airspace, but most Gov't agencies (and communities) aren't in the habit of giving stuff up they already own.

 

[psysicx]

Miramar made it I think there are going to be a lot of happy Marines.Who wants to go to Yuma anyways.

 

[WizardPilot]

ellsworth is done. Where are they going to base those B-1's?

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

ellsworth is done. Where are they going to base those B-1's?

Ellsworth is always on there also. However, without Daschle in there to block the transaction, I think my parents are going to have to do their summertime commissary shopping elsewhere.

Maybe the big X's on the end of the runway will keep crews from landing at the wrong airport henceforth.

 

[Jamis81]

BRAC News From Ohio

the 180th in Toledo is actually going to gain 9 F-16's according to local congressmen/women and senators..

Mansfield's C-130's are going to Arkansas and Alabama

Rickenbacker is keeping all of their KC-135's and gaining jobs

Wright Patterson is keeping all of their aircraft and gaining jobs.

 

[Spur]

ellsworth is done. Where are they going to base those B-1's?

All B-1s are going to Dyess.

All active duty C-130s (slicks) are going to Little Rock.

http://www.defenselink.mil/brac/pdf/Vol_I_Part_2_DOD_BRAC.pdf

 

[Spur]

UPT wise, Moody will lose its T-6s and T-38s. Redistributed to Vance, Columbus and Laughlin (and Randolph and Sheppard for the 38s).

 

[stonewall]

Madison, WI, and Selfridge are out as Viper bases (I think). Ft Wayne bro told me there were plussing up to 24 PAA (with Block 30s) and Springfield and Terre Haute were done. Ouch.

Richmond (VA Guard) is transitioning to F/A-22s...already have one guy in training at Tyndall.

 

[talondriver]

Here's the detailed BRAC report from the defense link. Very detailed. Happy reading.

http://www.defenselink.mil/brac/pdf/Vol_I_Part_2_DOD_BRAC.pdf

 

[Kaman]

The really big surprise was the closure of the submarine base in New London, CT. Also, was kind of surprised that they are re-inventing the wheel by moving Navy Officer Candidate school BACK to Newport, R.I.! And, Walter Reed is also closing. with activities consolidated at Bethesda to create a National military medical center.

Regards,

ex-Navy Rotorhead

 

[Skyboss]

Miramar made it I think there are going to be a lot of happy Marines.Who wants to go to Yuma anyways.

Happy or not, not closing Miramar (not to mention an incredible waste of cash as each member costs a small fortune in COLA and BAQ) was a mistake and a disaster for San Diego in trying to find a new airport site. Which neighborhood in flat lying land do you think will volunteer? Ocean Beach? ... Hmmmm....

The local politicians shouldn't be dancing in the streets as they are. The harsh reality is that San Diego needs a second runway. Let them explain why to the neighborhood that gets cooked - Chicago Style - for that runway.

 

[psysicx]

Why should the Marines be blamed for the cities bad planning?When they built that airport they knew they were going to have to expand it .Why not close North Island they have plenty of room for runways and expansion?