BRAC Rumors

[Schwanker]

I found this through a web search. Not sure of its validity.

Army bases currently proposed for closure or realignment in 2005
include:

Carlisle Barracks, Pennsylvania
Detroit Arsenal, Michigan
Fort Belvoir, Virginia
Fort Buchanan, Puerto Rico
Fort McPherson/Gillem, Georgia
Fort Monmouth, New Jersey
Fort Monroe, Virginia
Fort Polk, Louisiana (to realign)
Fort Richardson, Alaska
Fort Sam Houston, Texas
Fort Shafter, Hawaii
Lima Army Tank Plant, Ohio
Natick Soldier Center, Massachusetts
Picatinny Arsenal, New Jersey
Redstone Arsenal, Alabama
Rock Island Arsenal, Illinois
Sierra Army Depot, California
Yuma Proving Ground, Arizona
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Air Force base closures and realignments include:

Altus AFB, Oklahoma
Beale AFB, California
Brooks AFB, Texas
Cannon AFB, New Mexico
Columbus AFB, Mississippi
Ellsworth AFB, South Dakota
Goodfellow AFB, Texas
Grand Forks AFB, North Dakota
Hanscom AFB, Massachusetts
Kirtland AFB, New Mexico
Los Angeles AFB, California
McConnell AFB, Kansas
Nellis AFB, Nevada (to realign)
Seymour Johnson AFB, North Carolina (to realign)
Shaw AFB, South Carolina
Vance AFB, Oklahoma

The Air Force will lose 2,260 military and 2,839 civilian
manpower positions, and 1,055 reserve drill authorizations next year,
according to the 2004 force-structure announcement released July 23.
Many bases, both active duty and reserve component, are affected by the
realignment. In many cases, units will gain aircraft and missions, while
others will pare down.

Besides manpower reductions, the realignment formally announces the
>retirement of the C-9A Nightingale and KC-135E Stratotanker aircraft.

According to Air Force officials, the 20 C-9s are being retired
because of reduced-patient movement, range limitations and increasing
maintenance and upgrade costs. The aeromedical-evacuation mission will
become a requirements-based system using all passenger-capable aircraft.

The service will retire 44 of the Air National Guard and Air
Force Reserve Command's 43-year-old KC-135Es next year, replacing them
with 24 KC-135Rs from the active-duty fleet. By the end of fiscal 2006,
the Air Force will have retired 68 of the KC-135Es.
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Naval base closures and realignments include:

Ingleside Naval Station, Texas
Naval Postgraduate School, California
Naval Air Station Meridian, Mississippi
Naval Air Engineering Station Lakehurst, New Jersey
Naval Recreation Station Solomons Island,
Naval Surface Warfare Center Crane, Indiana
Naval Surface Warfare Center, Dahlgren Division, Virginia
Navy Supply Corps School, Georgia
New Orleans Naval Support Activity, Louisiana
Pascagoula Naval Station, Mississippi
Portsmouth Naval Shipyard, New Hampshire
Saratoga Springs Naval Support Unit, New York
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Marine base closures and realignments include:

Marine Corps Logistics Base Albany, Georgia
Marine Corps Logistics Base Barstow, California (realignment)
Marine Corps Air Station Miramar, California
Marine Corps Mountain Warfare School, Califirnia
Marine Reserve Support Unit, Kansas City
Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego, California (realign or close)

 

[psysicx]

That was just a fake.Why would they close Beale that is the only U-2 base.

 

[Schwanker]

There's LOTS of talk about Beale closing around Marysville, CA. Hearing rumors the U2 could move to Offutt AFB in Nebraska.

By the way, I'm sure it is a fake as the "Official" list should be very closely held.

 

[mudkow60]

Heard rumors that Whiting may be cut. But them' ther' are just rumors... for now.

 

[rod farva]

The worst decision they can make is closing Miramar.Not hearing the sounds of jets in San Diego would be sickning.

Psycicx, don't you live in Utah???

 

[pkober]

FYI,

1030ET 13 May will be the time for the DOD press conference with the release of BRAC list on the USAF website. This is according to the official BRAC website.

Peace, out

CLAMBAKE

 

[psysicx]

Yes unfortunately but I used to live in San Diego and am moving back soon.

 

[Purduepete]

There is no way they would close down 2 UPT bases. To be honest, I'd like to see them try and close just one. There is no way they could combine UPT bases and keep the same number of pilots graduating each year. That place would need at least 6 runways, 4 of which allowing overhead patterns (yea right), not to mention double the mx facilities and other logistical aspects. My prediction - fake or at least incorrect list.

Stupid BRAC.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

There is no way they would close down 2 UPT bases.

Relax Pete, Columbus and Vance are on every BRAC proposal list that comes out. In fact, most of those bases are the same ones that are always on the proposed list. The proposed list gets floated up and then the politics begin. This oughta be an interesting round, though.

 

[WizardPilot]

Time will tell. I am interested to see what will happen. With the bases that close down, They will have to move the junk and personell around to different bases. It will be interesting to see how the bases that stay up change to conform to this new way of basing(sp, if that is even a word, haha)or supplying or storing this equip.

 

[Purpledog]

Relax Pete, Columbus and Vance are on every BRAC proposal list that comes out. In fact, most of those bases are the same ones that are always on the proposed list. The proposed list gets floated up and then the politics begin. This oughta be an interesting round, though.

I think I heard that this time it is going to be different than the last. I thought I heard that the list will stick regardless of which senior senator it pisses off.

There is no way they would close down 2 UPT bases. To be honest, I'd like to see them try and close just one. There is no way they could combine UPT bases and keep the same number of pilots graduating each year.

This doesn't have to make sense, these are politicians not aviators. If they close Meridian that leaves Kingsville with 4 training squadrons and not enough airspace for two. It's real fun being in the pattern with 12 students let alone 24. It will be interesting non the less.

 

[plattsburgher]

I think it would be tough to move pilot training bases because there isn't a place to go that has established MOAS and airspace. It would be possible to make new space, but tough. Bases with depots and missle fields would, I think, be tough to move too. AMC bases without other missions would be easy targets for a BRAC.

 

[Purpledog]

Our problem was always the pattern. You get 3 divisions showing up at the same time on a hazy summer day and it got ugly. Luckily the tower was pretty good at correcting students turning Xwind/breaking inside their interval.

 

[stonewall]

I think it would be tough to move pilot training bases because there isn't a place to go that has established MOAS and airspace. It would be possible to make new space, but tough. Bases with depots and missle fields would, I think, be tough to move too. AMC bases without other missions would be easy targets for a BRAC.

Man, it would be awful tough to get new training areas anywhere. We're losing ground rapidly as it is, and we fight tooth and nail to keep what we have. Sky Harbor swallowed Willie in PHX, and the city itself is slapping Luke around. I think Luke is one F-16 onto a High School (there's one pretty much right off the departure end) from shutting down and moving to Gila Bend. Eglin is a constant battle over approach/dept corridors and the two air-to-ground ranges to the east and west as the Ft Walton Beach area booms. We could get new airspace, but most Gov't agencies (and communities) aren't in the habit of giving stuff up they already own.

 

[psysicx]

Miramar made it I think there are going to be a lot of happy Marines.Who wants to go to Yuma anyways.

 

[WizardPilot]

ellsworth is done. Where are they going to base those B-1's?

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

ellsworth is done. Where are they going to base those B-1's?

Ellsworth is always on there also. However, without Daschle in there to block the transaction, I think my parents are going to have to do their summertime commissary shopping elsewhere.

Maybe the big X's on the end of the runway will keep crews from landing at the wrong airport henceforth.

 

[Jamis81]

BRAC News From Ohio

the 180th in Toledo is actually going to gain 9 F-16's according to local congressmen/women and senators..

Mansfield's C-130's are going to Arkansas and Alabama

Rickenbacker is keeping all of their KC-135's and gaining jobs

Wright Patterson is keeping all of their aircraft and gaining jobs.

 

[Spur]

ellsworth is done. Where are they going to base those B-1's?

All B-1s are going to Dyess.

All active duty C-130s (slicks) are going to Little Rock.

http://www.defenselink.mil/brac/pdf/Vol_I_Part_2_DOD_BRAC.pdf

 

[Spur]

UPT wise, Moody will lose its T-6s and T-38s. Redistributed to Vance, Columbus and Laughlin (and Randolph and Sheppard for the 38s).