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[IAHERJ]

I don't want to start anything here but I do have a good hunch that CAL will be recalling pilots this year(sooner rather than later) to meet the current flying schedule. We have already had a few retirements that were unexpected last week. With aircraft arriving this year(finally getting the seat issue worked out with Boeing) we will need more butts in seats. The company is planning on some more retirements now this year based on the merger announcement and if new hires are needed by the Fall, a deal is most likely going to be worked out where UAL furloughed pilots will come onto CAL "property" to meet the staffing needs. No flight reductions are planned in the combined company so whomever(in seniority order) from UAL does come on board to fly the CAL aircraft should be a part of the initial "flush" bid in 2012 and able to bid into a UAL or CAL base based on their combined seniority. A deal will be worked out with the CAL/UAL MECs and the new UAL management later this Summer I'm told. With the retirements scheduled at the combined carrier plus the early out options that I'm told are going to be on the table for the senior guys, I'd expect all pilots who want to come back to work to be flying by 2013 with hiring in 2014. I so confident in this I hope somebody archives this post to look at in 4 years. If I'm wrong, so be it.

IAHERJ

 

[Boz]

Well, there is going to be a ton of discussion on this merger. Just hope the two carriers come up with a viable plan that will sustain jobs for all those involved. Furloughed pilots interest in my opinion will be worked out. Retirements, attrition, early severance packages to SAM employees will take shape in the next few months. We all are starving for information and obviously want it yesterday. Be patient, don't engage in the rumor mill as it will drive you nuts. There is a website that can inform you of the combined direction of both carriers. Personally, I think it is a good thing, yet that will be determined with time. Good luck to us all...Just hope we don't rush to judgement as this integration will take time to come up with an industry leading contract for the industry.

www.unitedcontinentalmerger.com

 

[Shrek]

The list I saw was created by a UAL pilot and obviously a wet dream. It'll go by relative seniority +/- a few percent at a bare minimum. I don't think anyone will get a windfall over anyone and it'll be fair. The only thing that won't be fair is if you're furloughed. Sucks, plain and simple. I have several friends that are furloughed at CAL and they're screwed. But with retirements coming, impending pilot shortage, new JCBA, scope reduction on UAL's side, and work rules on CAL's side....I SERIOUSLY DOUBT they'll be out long. Hell, they might just recall everyone shortly. We all need to focus on what we can achieve as UAL pilots as a whole. Work together, we'll achieve alot....not.....not so much. Our choice.

We have come along way apart - let's continue unified and we will accomplish all of our goals and more.

I will buy the first round if you are in Saigon anytime soon

 

[jtf]

With the retirements scheduled at the combined carrier plus the early out options that I'm told are going to be on the table for the senior guys, I'd expect all pilots who want to come back to work to be flying by 2013 with hiring in 2014. I so confident in this I hope somebody archives this post to look at in 4 years. If I'm wrong, so be it.

IAHERJ

I hope you're right. I have a lot of friends who will probably go back if the merger goes through.

 

[FDJ2]

Most likely scenario is a relative seniority merger ala Delta/NWA. They will not take furloughed pilots and put them ahead of active pilots.

Your probably right with one minor correction, DAL/NWA was a category/status ratioed list. With an adjustment for the greater percentage of NWA retirements in the near term (274 pilots pulled out, than plugged back in)

 

[captain]

Did anyone bring the popcorn...

 

[bluefin]

UAL mec sent out a letter today, basically stating that the seniority snapshot of both lists was taken yesterday. So regardless if you get recalled this summer you are out of the picture. As a furloughed former U guy, I also spoke to someone in the real "KNOW" and was basically told in not exact words, "if you got something going, do it, don't hold your breath". Exact words were, "its gonna be a long time". To all for what its worth.

 

[IAHERJ]

UAL mec sent out a letter today, basically stating that the seniority snapshot of both lists was taken yesterday. So regardless if you get recalled this summer you are out of the picture. As a furloughed former U guy, I also spoke to someone in the real "KNOW" and was basically told in not exact words, "if you got something going, do it, don't hold your breath". Exact words were, "its gonna be a long time". To all for what its worth.

You are exactly correct with regards to the snapshot being taken yesterday. That's where it gets difficult. CAL has to recall to fly the schedule for the remainder of 2010 and will need even more to fly the 2011 schedule as it is right now. It is only fair that the pilots brought on to do this come from the UAL list. What happens when the SLI is finalized by the arbitrator? The idea is not to have to furlough again at that point. I think the new management will be very careful to work something out with the UAL MEC that addresses this concern. I have faith in the CALMEC and UALMEC in that they will come to an agreement with Jeff and company that works out best for all those furloughed.

 

[johnsonrod]

Perhaps the USAirways pilots could recommend an arbitrator to help with the process...

 

[acbarney]

Perhaps the USAirways pilots could recommend an arbitrator to help with the process...

CAL's merger committee chairman was one of the pilot neutrals on the U/AWA arbitration

 

[Jetjockey]

Perhaps the USAirways pilots could recommend an arbitrator to help with the process...

I think the better question is to ask them how the push for DOH went.

 

[Paul R. Smith]

Recalls supposedly to be on August bid. They say merger wont be complete until mid 2012.

Was that you on the marriot-training center van?

I heard the same exact thing. Cautious optimism tells me that I have heard recall rumors before but I so want that to be true for the furloughed guys.

 

[thor2j]

Was that you on the marriot-training center van?

I heard the same exact thing. Cautious optimism tells me that I have heard recall rumors before but I so want that to be true for the furloughed guys.

No, wasn't me. I'm like u, don't believe shlt until it's parked on the ramp! Hope it's true, the hostages need to be returned.

 

[bluefin]

The mec letter gave a time line of how the process moves forward from yesterday. For example the lists on both sides are being posted so pilots can verify all of their info is correct. They are then given a short amount of time to update any info that is not correct. Then the mec's use those updated lists to begin the process. Therefore if you are not on property, you are not on the current seniority list.

 

[ThisistheDream]

when NWA and DAL combined the list NWA had some on furlough, that had bypassed the recall and where given extra time to stay on the furlough bypass status i think 2 or 3 years. there seniority list intergration was put into the Whole SLI as if they where on property and if they take a recall they will go back to what they would have held. I beleive there are maybe 150 or so NWA furlough bypassed out there that can still come back if DAL hires again within there time they where given.

 

[bluefin]

Furloughees at U were given 10yrs of recall with unlimited bypass for those yrs, I wonder what kind of recall rights will agreed upon under the new cba.

 

[contrail67]

Recalls supposedly to be on August bid. They say merger wont be complete until mid 2012.

Here is an excellent link to the merger and time line is in it.(page 27) Single operating certificate is by 2012. The closing is NOV/DEC. 2010. I think that alot can happen once closing happens... I really do not think they have to wait until they get the single operating certificate... to start recalls ect...anyway, check this out. Very informative.


http://phx.corporate-ir.net/Externa...MzA1NTE1OXxDaGlsZEl EPTM4MDEyN3xUeXBlPTI=&t=1

 

[contrail67]

when NWA and DAL combined the list NWA had some on furlough, that had bypassed the recall and where given extra time to stay on the furlough bypass status i think 2 or 3 years. there seniority list intergration was put into the Whole SLI as if they where on property and if they take a recall they will go back to what they would have held. I beleive there are maybe 150 or so NWA furlough bypassed out there that can still come back if DAL hires again within there time they where given.

Did they get longevity/credit for when they were on furlough?...also what kind of "stake" in the company did any DAL/NWA pilots get along with the raise. I keep hearing that.

 

[ultrarunner]

I just got an email from one of our Merger Committee members and he says it's completely false. He said nothing has been finalized or discussed.

Uhhh...would SLI be a 'reasonable topic' TO discuss. Or is it just gonna "happen"???

 

[ThisistheDream]

yes the pre merger NWA pilots got all the longevity back. A NWA 2000 hire who was at nwa for 1.5 yrs then furloughed for 6 is now on 9 or 10 year pay at the new DAL. The NWA and DAL pilots got stock after the merger. a 2008 NWA hire got 3250 shares with senior captians at both getting around 5000 shares. at 12 bucks a share it is around 40,000 dollars at minumum