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Why would they replace the A300's with 767-300's? Not exactly an apple to apple thing? If the buses were running international now, I would think that, but they aren't and never have. So replacing the buses with the 767-200's and then using the 767-300's for international, regardless of who flys them.

I do think ABX has the inside track on these planes, though. As previously stated, basically all they have to do is show up and we could fly them, spares, training, MX, etc all turnkey. But, Joe is pulling planes away from DHL to go to Japan, they (DHL) might take that as a slap...
 
ABXbooger said:
But, Joe is pulling planes away from DHL to go to Japan, they (DHL) might take that as a slap...
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I do not think Hete is pulling away any planes from DHL, the new ones coming online will go to Japan. We are not forfitting any of our flying for DHL to do this contract...
 
ABXbooger said:
Why would they replace the A300's with 767-300's? Not exactly an apple to apple thing? If the buses were running international now, I would think that, but they aren't and never have. So replacing the buses with the 767-200's and then using the 767-300's for international, regardless of who flys them.
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You're right, 767-300's aren't a direct replacement for anything in DHL's domestic service except maybe the DC-8, and they're not utilizing those to any great extent. The -300's will be utilized overseas, flown by whichever ACMI operation submits the lowest bid. Maybe "Air Chihuahua" or somebody. Just because DHL can no longer employ illegals in the sort doesn't mean they couldn't use them to fly their planes. What happens in Kazakhstan stays in Kazakhstan, know what I mean?

ABXbooger said:
I do think ABX has the inside track on these planes, though. As previously stated, basically all they have to do is show up and we could fly them, spares, training, MX, etc all turnkey. But, Joe is pulling planes away from DHL to go to Japan, they (DHL) might take that as a slap...
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Nobody reading this post in their native language has an inside track on these planes. The closest any of us will get to them is when we're riding the jumpseat, if that's even possible. Assuming the reported value of the contract (150 mil per unit) is correct, it's fair to assume that a comprehensive spares and training package is included with the deal. Plus, they're new airplanes, and Boeings at that. After a few months shakin' 'em down, they'll be pretty reliable birds for the next 15 or 20 years.

Another thought just occured. Doesn't UPS have a bunch of 767-300's on order? Now THAT would imply some commonality between fleets, in the event that some sort of partnership with them were to be reached in the future. See my above post...
 
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Not sure how this will mix in, but DHL has indicated to Atlas/Polar that they will be handling all the trans-ocean flying at some point. Atlas is interested in sharing and flying smaller planes with the right deal? Just another thought. I have no inside info.
 
Dan and his alliance theories are beginning to make sense (thanks barkeep). I bet these get painted brown for real commonality.
 
Classicdriver said:
Not sure how this will mix in, but DHL has indicated to Atlas/Polar that they will be handling all the trans-ocean flying at some point. Atlas is interested in sharing and flying smaller planes with the right deal? Just another thought. I have no inside info.
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Where did you read or hear that DHL had indicated this? And how do you know what Atlas is interested in?
 
Whistlin' Dan said:
You're right, 767-300's aren't a direct replacement for anything in DHL's domestic service except maybe the DC-8,
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Are you off your rocker, how could you possibly think that a 767-300 would be a direct replacement for the FLYING Semi........................
 
abxdx said:
Where did you read or hear that DHL had indicated this? And how do you know what Atlas is interested in?
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From meetings our Union MEC has had with the DLH management and union folks in Germany. Also Atlas has said many times that they are interested in a smaller plane if it was the right situation. In fact, they just mentioned it again in their quarterly report conferance call on Thursday. Also they said in that same call, that the current deal with DHL may be just the beginning.
 
to fly in the U.S.???

Absolutely! Isn’t that what Open Sky agreement was all about?

After all, doesn’t FedEx and UPS fly within Europe?

Note, I’m not saying I agree with it, I’m just saying people wishing for Open Sky deal need to be careful what they’re wishing for, it might bite them.
 
Thought they were out of biz??

Gonna be laughable if DHL gives these to anyone but ABX, tryin to save money and all...
 
As for Express.Net flying for DHL...NOT gonna happen. Like was said they are just trying to keep the certificate alive.

We all got furloughed in June with the rumor that we may start flying for DHL in a month or so. Was supposed to be a short furlough. Of course that is what the management said. Yeah right! Most are still out of work and the chief pilot and alot of management have hit the road there.

767 at E Net I am sorry for all those I worked with but not gonna happen!
 
Another possibility is DHL is playing hardball with Hete - somebody mentioned this elsewhere. Hete apparently won't give DHL our additional 767s under the current ACMI margin rates. Hete's holding out for much higher charter margin rates.
Not saying its so, just another possibility.
 
Whistlin' Dan said:
Another thought just occured. Doesn't UPS have a bunch of 767-300's on order? Now THAT would imply some commonality between fleets, in the event that some sort of partnership with them were to be reached in the future. See my above post...
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Whistlin' Whacko update:

Anybody else notice FDX just bought 757s? And UPS already has 757s!!
And MD-11s! Airbus!!

Coincidence you say??? I DON'T THINK SO!!
Obviously they are already in merger talks!!

We're all DOOMED !!!
 
penguin22 said:
Whistlin' Whacko update:

Anybody else notice FDX just bought 757s? And UPS already has 757s!!
And MD-11s! Airbus!!

Coincidence you say??? I DON'T THINK SO!!
Obviously they are already in merger talks!!

We're all DOOMED !!!
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Dude....

First, silence the bell. You know, the one in your head that keeps going off. It's only adding to your level of anxiety.

Next, sit down. Allow your mind to take you to a place of great peace to you. The forest, a lake, wherever. This is your time...

Then, when you're rested, and ready to re-join the discussion in a civilized manner, check out this link...

Boeing: UPS Orders Additional Boeing 767 Freighters

Also, you might want to try the decaf for a while. It's the third button down, same price...
 
ABXbooger said:
Thought they were out of biz??

Gonna be laughable if DHL gives these to anyone but ABX, tryin to save money and all...
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Yeah. Except it's not gonna be funny.

I'll be honest with you. Given a preference as to whether or not DHL sent these aircraft to Express.net, Atlas, Polar, et al, VS ABX, I'd rather see em go to ABX. And I say this as a full blown, in his right mind, AStar pilot. If they go to ABX, at least it A. Demonstrates that DHL might, might, once in a blue moon actually think about the ramifications of their decision making processes, (which usually starts with the question "First, how can we screw the employees?" and ends with the statement "Who cares if we screw the customer."), and B. Would be a step toward demonstrating that they have the ability to learn from their mistakes......which means their probably going to be part of a new ERAU ab initio airline flying body parts from ILN to DAY.
 
penguin22 said:
re-join which discussion? Your discussion about DHL/UPS/FDX 'strategic alliances' ?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I can't even say that with a straight face !!
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That's better.

Now, since you are obviously of the opinion that DHL will never partner with anybody to bolster their presence in the U.S. market, tell us what they're doing to fix it on their own. Industry experts have stated that it will take 3-5 billion dollars to become competitive (I.E., "profitable, at market rates") over here. Where do you see them spending the first 300-500 million?

A new hub? They're not even shopping for land...

New planes? These 767's are the only new planes that DHL has acquired since they bought the Metroliners in the early 80's.

Expanding their service network? That would imply adding flights, or adding stops to flights. Are you adding flights? If so, your guys should be coming off of furlough very soon.

Prey tell, what is DHL doing, besides trying to put the squeeze on you and Astar, to reverse their downward slide and prepare for future growth in the U.S.?
 

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