BlueTruthPilots

[Ski-N-Fly]

Cheeta, there are only a few people who know the exact number of cards collected. You are not one of them. Also, anyone who is waiting on a pay review is a sucker.

 

[CaptainSpaz]

Also, anyone who is waiting on a pay review is a sucker.

Are you advocating for a filing at the soonest possible date?

 

[A350]

Holy @#$^.....are there really people out there who don't believe that the health of the company they work for DIRECTLY relates to the HEALTH of their careers and therefore the security of their FAMILIES? (Especially in a specialized, seniority based system)

Only a moron would stand behind a union, whose sole business purpose is to siphon enough money off its membership to pay bloated payscales to paper pushers while allowing its members to sign off on contracts to pay its members HALF what the paper pushers make!

I don't understand how anyone can not understand this concept. Healthy company = healthy career and therefore, money and security for the family. While there are always exceptions to this, JetBlue is not this exception.

Healthy union does not equal healthy company. YIP understands this and you guys crap all over him for it. He is a pilot just like you.....and you think that because he doesn't work for the right company that he is a second class citizen for it. Wake the F up.

A350

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Are you at JB?

 

[A350]

Yes.

Do we have issues....you bet. Do we need improvements....you bet. Do we need ALPA? Not in a million years.

This place isn't half as bad as most of you on here say it is.

A350

 

[pilotyip]

Holy @#$^.....are there really people out there who don't believe that the health of the company they work for DIRECTLY relates to the HEALTH of their careers and therefore the security of their FAMILIES? (Especially in a specialized, seniority based system)

Only a moron would stand behind a union, whose sole business purpose is to siphon enough money off its membership to pay bloated payscales to paper pushers while allowing its members to sign off on contracts to pay its members HALF what the paper pushers make!

I don't understand how anyone can not understand this concept. Healthy company = healthy career and therefore, money and security for the family. While there are always exceptions to this, JetBlue is not this exception.

Healthy union does not equal healthy company. YIP understands this and you guys crap all over him for it. He is a pilot just like you.....and you think that because he doesn't work for the right company that he is a second class citizen for it. Wake the F up.

A350

Wow, don't find this too often on FI, supportive words for a guy who works for a dirt bag fly by night outfit and is very proud about it. Everybody at my place dreams of a job at JB and would happily take the place of anyone who wants to leave.

 

[A350]

Yip:

You fly because you love it. Too many who fly have either lost that love or never really had it to begin with. And to top it off, most of them have never "wanted" for a job in the industry, their timing was impeccable. They think people who love their job are sellouts.

If they just looked around at the carnage of some people's careers, maybe they would be a little more thankful for what they have, not what they think they deserve or are entitled to.

A350

 

[StarChecker]

This place isn't half as bad as most of you on here say it is.

A350

Let's see:

The worst health insurance
The worst retirement
Pay rates 18.3% behind our peers (starting Jan 2014)
Mediocre work rules
A "bulked out" 26 page PEA instead of a negotiated CBA

Until you have seen this company from the inside, as I have, you don't know it. Please join one of our committees and see for yourself.

We need a CBA. ALPA is the best way to get one. Any other conclusion is delusional.

 

[bri5150]

Let's see:

The worst health insurance
The worst retirement
Pay rates 18.3% behind our peers (starting Jan 2014)
Mediocre work rules
A "bulked out" 26 page PEA instead of a negotiated CBA

Until you have seen this company from the inside, as I have, you don't know it. Please join one of our committees and see for yourself.

We need a CBA. ALPA is the best way to get one. Any other conclusion is delusional.

Since we have "truth" as the title thread, we should be truthful. Allegiant, Virgin America, Sun Country, and Frontier all have worse retirement. Spirit is only 1% higher. I think the problem is that your "peers" aren't your "peers". This isn't a knock, but you are an LCC/national, not legacy. I am not saying you shouldn't get better, but I AM saying that it isn't as bad as you are making it out to be.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Yes.

Do we have issues....you bet. Do we need improvements....you bet. Do we need ALPA? Not in a million years.

This place isn't half as bad as most of you on here say it is.

A350

Just wondering how long you have been here.....

 

[Blue Dude]

Yes.

Do we have issues....you bet. Do we need improvements....you bet. Do we need ALPA? Not in a million years.

This place isn't half as bad as most of you on here say it is.

A350

Integrity is the biggest issue for me. The ELT has none. Have you been following the 3A issue? The ELT quite literally told us one thing, meant for us to rely on it, then told the judge the exact opposite. This is not integrity. And without a union, these are the people who represent us and control every aspect of our professional lives. At this point, they could tell me the sun was out and I'd reach for an umbrella. They have shown time and again that they cannot be trusted and even as we speak they are polishing the language of the next iteration of our contract. We have no say over its contents, its wording, or its intent. And they have already amply demonstrated that they don't have our best intentions in mind, only their own. I'm not looking forward to a union either, but there's no other way remaining that has a chance of obtaining even barely adequate legal protections.

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

Are you advocating for a filing at the soonest possible date?

I am advocating for filing once there are enough signed cards that show this pilot group will win a union vote. Not a day sooner, not a day later.

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

Yes.

Do we have issues....you bet. Do we need improvements....you bet. Do we need ALPA? Not in a million years.

This place isn't half as bad as most of you on here say it is.

A350

I have heard similar opinions from previous no voters in the past. Once they got screwed over by management in one form or another, they changed their tune very quickly. I flew with a guy who was an ALPA hater until he was involved in an FAA investigation. JetBlue decided he didn't need an attorney as the investigation progressed. Needless to say, he wasn't happy with the outcome as he was left to fend for himself. There are numerous stories of pilots in similar situations (medical, legal, etc) who were left out in the cold with no support whatsoever. I know some of these pilots personally. Unfortunately sometimes that's what it takes for someone to realize what a sham the DR truly is. But by then, it's too late.

You can say what you want about unions, but statistically speaking, unionized employees have better pay, better healthcare, better retirement, better work rules, and better overall job protection than non unionized employees. Feel free to look it up.

 

[BeachBummer]

Since we have "truth" as the title thread, we should be truthful. Allegiant, Virgin America, Sun Country, and Frontier all have worse retirement. Spirit is only 1% higher. I think the problem is that your "peers" aren't your "peers". This isn't a knock, but you are an LCC/national, not legacy. I am not saying you shouldn't get better, but I AM saying that it isn't as bad as you are making it out to be.

The peer set was agreed to and defined my management. "Destination" carrier. Not one of those carries is in our peer set.

 

[pilotyip]

The peer set was agreed to and defined my management. "Destination" carrier. Not one of those carries is in our peer set.

How come not compared to USAirways? They certaily much bigger than JB? Oh I know management did not define them as a peer ground. Funny how suddenly to make a point JB pilots say "Management" said this.